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I am requesting that this be sent to the higher ups at Blizzard. The community has spoken.

Before Shadowlands, I always would have interpreted the land of the dead to be very ethereal and mystical. Then Oribos appeared. And then Zereth Mortis, both featuring heavy mechanical themes.

It’s changing the feel of the powers of the universe from primal, untamed and boundless to wind-up machines with gears, cogs and flashy beeping buttons.

Not all sci-fi themes are bad - I just think in a fantasy universe like Warcraft, it’s best done minimally and infrequently.

Maybe it’s a bit dramatic of me to say, but it feels like it’s taking a lot of the magic away from the Warcraft universe.

And now that we’re going to the literal realm of the creators/shapers of the universe… how is this ever going to transition to anything even slightly grounded again?

I’m so tired of the 10D chess games with boards so big that the writers have to retcon half the lore just to make it make sense, and have to sell books every two years instead of putting it in-game.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/qs722k/warcraft_is_changing_to_a_full_scifi_theme_and/

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3k people never read the lore, never heard about the Titans, or saw the construct creatures of Northrend and Ulduar.

:clown_face:

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1 thread is feedback, 6 in the same weekend in pushing an agenda.

Mind giving it a break ?

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That would require thinking. You’re asking too much.

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If Reddit is the arbiter of what is correct. Then the world is flat, the centre of the universe, Covid in fake, 5G causes cancer and Donald Trump is the greatest human to ever live.

Not really a good place to nail your colours to.

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I agree with you Naxxos.
Just one tiny thing thou, Mr Orange bad with all its flaws (and its alot of flaws), its still better then current proto senile men in charge, even if just for 0,001%.

And that is sad, extremly sad…

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The whole universe is flat and I’m not even joking

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Actually we don’t know

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2222159-cosmological-crisis-we-dont-know-if-the-universe-is-round-or-flat/

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There is no universe. Only nothingness
Electricity is also fake

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They don’t care . Ion will do whatever he wants as he is the mastermind and we are all just to ignorant and trolly and to stupid to see his grand design and apriciate what they made for us .

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Isn’t the whole point of gravity & mass that it bends the “surface” of the universe and is the source of the concept of wormholes ?

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I don’t know. I find it hard to be against the story direction.

I remember when World of Warcraft was released and I did my first run of Uldaman – a dungeon packed with Titan lore.
My immediate thought back then was that I wanted to know more about the Titans. I wanted the story to move in that direction. I wanted to see the Titans.

The mystery alone is not enough. You want the reveal as well. Otherwise what’s the point of the story if you’re always just being lead along with questions that you get no answers to? At some point the story is kind of obligated to provide some answers. And World of Warcraft did start out by posing some big questions.

And I had the same thoughts when I played Warcraft III.
That game also foreshadows and teases and sets up a lot of questions that you get an immediate desire for answers to.
No one got to the ending of The Frozen Throne without wanting to know what happens next with Arthas. You want more. And you want to know more. What kind of power is it he wields and where does it come from? Why is it so different from the fel of The Burning Legion? What is that Forgotten One that you fight on your way to The Frozen Throne?

At some point Blizzard are obligated to provide answers to these questions. They can still add more mystery – which they do – but having a continuous story also means that some mysteries get solved along the way.

If some players just want Warcraft to stay in the smaller and simpler story scope of Warcraft II and Warcraft III, well then those games still exist, and people can just go and play them and enjoy them on their own terms.
But it’s unreasonable to expect that a story franchise that has always been more than any individual game is arbitrarily supposed to limit itself to the confines of a particular moment in time when some people happened to enjoy it the most for random reasons.
That’s like saying you think Tolkien should have stopped Lord of the Rings in the middle of Tom Bombadil’s forest, because once the adventure goes beyond that it loses its idyllic charm. That’s silly.

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even a broken clock is correct twice a day. it was inevitable they would get something right

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Yes, that is correct. But the distortion is happening in all three dimensions at the same time. The artist impressions of the distortion of space-time are simplifications because the human brain can’t visualise what actually happens. Space is potentially a hypersphere - an infinite number of surfaces all slightly off-set from each other, all intersecting at every single point in space and all (probably) the surface of an expanding sphere.

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It’s 9.2, the jailor has been beaten.
The mawwalker enters a room, in it he sees an office chair with it’s back facing him. Surrounding the mawwalker is a dome of screens, all showing a livefeed of the mawwalkers mugshot. The chair turns to reveal Danuser sitting in the chair.
Danuser starts repeating the Matrix Reloaded architect script word by word.
(Yes I do get what you’re feeling)

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The hero we need but don’t deserve

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Couldn’t you find something more relevant, like from 4chan or a Fox News comment section :open_mouth: ?

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I can’t help but feel like the way they’re revealing things just feel alien to the very story of warcraft itself

Champion, remember the titans?! Well forget them they’re old news, We’ve got even more titany titans! I wonder what force they belong too ohohoho maybe something more mysterious

Actually they just belong to order.

Champion, remember that book Chronicles that was literally written by the perspective of the titans? Well some random shadowlands ethereal you’ve never heared of before has created a NEW chronicles with a NEW cosmic force map, surely this random dude talking about infinity and fractals has a better comprehensive capacity then the titans themselves!

Champion, remember all those cool afterlife bits of lore we’ve had?! Well guess what they’re all false there’s just one cosmic vaccume cleaner that sends you to a sorting hat.

What to do when all the reveals are just downright unstatisfactory and make me wish it had remained a mystery instead?

Afterlife lore has been turned into a harry potter halloween special fanfic where it has replaced a lot of really really cool seperate lore bits of which they only really touched on the other side and in 9.2 they’re going after the actual creation of everything, something that was already explained in a book that people paid money for because Blizzard said it was canon.

This feels ever more like a new group of writers not knowing what to do with the old lore, so they opt to destroy and replace it instead.

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right, but a large part of the history of wow is titans and clockwork and clockwork gnomes and such … so that website and its upviewers blah blah is completely out of touch with the reality of the lore in this game and should be roundly ignored by everyone with even a passing knowledge of the game, presumably it already is.

as a side note … land of the dead and you thought it’d be ethereal or whimsical and unicorns and butterflys and mystical?
the land of the dead … the clues in the name. Full of regrets and doubts and fears … ethereal/whimsical/unicorns/butterflys/mystical? riiiiiiiiiiight.

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I think there’s a difference between story and lore that many players don’t appreciate.

There’s a difference between reading The Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings, just as there’s a difference between reading World of Warcraft Chronicles and Before the Storm.

One is intended as detached lore for the person reading, whereas the other is intended as immersive story through the minds of the characters who exist in the fictional universe.

Blizzard provides a lot of lore for players to better appreciate the story that’s being told in the game and the books and so on. But the story itself is supposed to be enjoyed on the premise that your character has not read World of Warcraft Chronicles and is not privy to the same understanding of events that you are. Tolkien does the same for his story and lore. Frodo never understands more of his adventure than what he learns along the way, because unlike savvy Tolkien nerds, then he hasn’t read The Silmarillion.

Beyond that!

I also think it’s a bit objectionable to say that Blizzard’s mystery reveals are unsatisfying when this is the modus opandi of Warcraft since forever.

What’s the first mystery that Warcraft presents? The Dark Portal!

Bunch of Orcs come through it all the time. Where do they come from? What’s on the other side of that portal?!

So what does the story do? Does it keep it as an everlasting mystery never to be solved? No! Next game there’s an expedition with Khadgar and Turalyon and Alleria and so on, that venture through The Dark Portal. Mystery solved! You get to see what’s on the other side. You get to see where the Orcs come from.

And then Blizzard does what they’ve always done when they solve a mystery, which is to introduce new ones!

Hey, look at Ner’zhul over there. He’s just opened a bunch of more portals to even more worlds! Gee, I wonder what’s on the other side of those? How big is this universe?

That’s no different from what Blizzard does today.
Gee, I wonder what death and the afterlife constitutes for on Azeroth? Oh, it’s the Shadowlands and there’s a Pantheon of Death? Mystery solved!
Oh, there’s also something about The First Ones and a Pantheon of Life? Great, now I’ve solved one mystery and gotten two new ones!

Welcome to Warcraft.

I would pose a question of curiosity when people say that these mystery reveals of late are unsatisfactory. Can you give some examples of earlier mystery reveals that have been satisfying?

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