Firstly I would like to say I have nothing against 10 man premade WSG groups at all in concept but the way the system for entering battlegrounds works at the moment it is unacceptable for the more casual players. The vast majority of WSG queues I have entered in the last few days have been vs 10 man premade groups which of course our team of 10 individual players with most likely a terrible team composition have zero chance of competing against. It is more enjoyable to /afk and go do something else for 15 minutes and return than spend the duration of the battleground getting graveyard camped/sitting in ghost form waiting for them to 3 cap.
In no other game have I ever experienced such consistent levels of unfairness over and over. You should NOT be put against a 10 man premade team as a solo queue player, especially if the other 9 players in your team are also solo. If you queue as a premade of significant size you should only ever be placed versus a similar premade size UNLESS the queues are somehow very long, which currently they are almost instant so there should be no reason for solo players to be punished. I play horde and I have seen multiple other posts of people complaining about the same thing from the alliance perspective so surely there are enough people who are solo or in much smaller premades to put us in our separate battlegrounds. Yes of course people can say âjust join a premade thenâ, what about the people who only have 30minutes-1 hour a day to play, you cannot expect them to come on and spam trade chat looking for a group and hoping they play a âusefulâ class for a premade to get invited. People want to come home and quickly hop into a battleground and have FUN.
The problem in all this is simple
If they separate group q and solo q the vast majority of players whos doing premades will just join solo, only a few tryhards will stay as premade and there queue is going to be very high, good premades can fight for very long time. After that premades will start complaining for long queues to join a tryhard match just to get the same rep as solo queuers
This will instantly kill grouping for pvp
Is not fair as it is right know i accept that.
The only solution i see to this, is remove solo q and only allow to join as a premade
âIf they separate group q and solo q the vast majority of players whos doing premades will just join soloâ
I see 0 problems even if no party is allowed only solo Q for wsg . Im sorry ,but im not sorry.
No matter what anyone says , the only reason ppl grp is to stomp fast and easy , dont try to even argue. Deep inside u know that, just few true arena players are looking for competitive game in wsg ⌠the competitive pvpers are doing arenas not 25 level battlegrounds , all premades are made for fast stomping cause they know most of their games will be vs randoms period! Also dont tell me theres no arena in classic , i verry well know that , whoever is gifted and good at the game and like to pvp still play the expansions where theres arenas period, cut the bullcrap where huge pvpers like to be competitive in WSG ⌠if u think that ur delusional, once they get exalted for their bracers at level 40 , their love for wsg will be gone so just DONT!
As for removing solo Q , lol ur really delusional , they even invent arena solo Q and rbg solo Q on newest expansions and u will get them here also dont worry 
not vice versa , ciao.
We donât care if premade have 16h queue times. A game should be fair and fun. Alliance got 30+ kills and Horde 0 kills in my last WSG. I just went afk at the graveyard, it was not fun. Itâs poor game design, something basically no one on the forum knows anything about.
If people wanna group PvP, join the new PvP Events or just invade opposite factions zones. Atleast you can gather up people to counterattack; you canât do that in BGs vs premades.
So your âsimpleâ solution is to remove solo-q all together and restrict it to 10 man premade queues? Do you want to take a moment to read that back maybe.
Punish the masses so the few can continue to reap the rewards of a terrible system?
As it stands now, I would wager most premade groups are purely doing it in the hopes of coming vs soloq for the free rep. Not to actually play the game, they will hope to come against a team that will /afk out or in-game stand idle in ghost. THIS is a horrible attitude and in itself is killing group pvp.
Of course you donât care if groups suffer, just as long as you get your solo fun as a solo player, right?
If group 10 match with group 10. That simple. Wanna do premade? Well you have to wait. Your problem. If you want to have an easy win you cant anymore. You have to earn it and fight against an other 10 man group that wants to win also. You dont like to wait? Then queue solo or with a group of 2-3 friends.
And suffer from pve teammates who wants to get carried
You see absolutely no problem with people not being able to play with friends in a game specifically designed for playing with friends?
Have you considered playing those ânewer expansionsâ? You know,the ones designed specifically for solo play?
Itâs pretty obvious that you donât care about anything aside from your own little ego. You could get exactly what you want and youâll still cry anyway. Thereâs always going to be a problem for you, itâs either âpeople have friends and I donât!â âWahh randomly assigned groups gave the other team healers and all I got is rogues!â or just âomg paladins opâ.
You are a Karen gamer and your opinion is worth less than a condom at an anime convention.
9/10 as they sayed are premades. where exacly is the âPunish the massesâ?
Thatâs only because no sane person will solo queue anymore in WSG.
Yesterday i played in a premade for the first time again since my ranking days in 2019⌠and we had 8 games vs premades and 2 vs pugs. Of those 8 games, one was actually fun and challenging. So even if u are in a premade only one out of 10 games is âfunâ ⌠honor/rep efficient, yes. But thatâs itâŚ
The argument of playing with friends is just not true⌠i always play with a group of 3-4 friends and NO ONE wants to queue WSG anymore because even as a group of 5 irl friends u will get stomped by 10 coordinated people.
Just be honest guys⌠premades donât have a right to exist in normal queues in 2023. Itâs a fact that canât be denied if u are honest with urself
First of all normal queue is the âjoin as groupâ one the âjoin soloâ is an optional choice that is coming with consequences
But lets accept all to separate queues, solo queue donât deserve to have the same rights as premade coordinate groups.
Separate queues and remove honor and rep reward from solo queue then
they absolutely deserve playable matches. they also pay a monthly description like you.
All i want in BGs is having fun with a couple of friends or if non are currently online, then solo. I dont want to be forced to join a coordinated group to have a fun. But this premade meta really killed any PvP enjoyment for our little group of frends in 2019. I hoped for some fun in SoD, but the premade meta is just killing the fun angin 
Just make some premade vs premade queue with bonus honor, bonus rep bonus whatever, so if your goal is to be optimal and efficient, then you coordinate. If you just want to have a chill evning with a friend or two, you can just queue vs another random group and enjoy the chaos.
Seems like Blizzard doesnât care, this is a old topic. So sad that they donât prioritize something this important. Itâs like they want to loose customers.
8/8 wsgâs so far today when i solo que, has been against full premades. To remove solo and only allow premadeâs is not âThe only solutionâ.
Lmao this makes 0 sense
I donât think even premaders themselves truly like what we have now. We are pigeonholed into premade or nothing.
Like who wants to set up a 10 man party made of hunters and priests with discord, where after every game someone leaves and have to find a new guy, or just flat out disband after a loss.
Are you honestly telling me this is fun for you guys?
You either just stomp some noobs or accept the loss awkwardly sitting on a discord server. Which scenario is so much fun that Iâm missing out on?
there is something seriously wrong with you
No thanks, I would rather get hemorrhoids than join a group of sweaty meta slaves.