Premades are even worse than before

Random BG means random Map. :laughing:

It’s common sense. You have “specific BG and random BG”

In the first you can choose what map you want to play, in the second you enter in a random one.

Anyway we rarely synchronize premades for random Bgs (We don’t need it either, we may lose one after 30 played), just for epics.

It doesn’t get correct by repeating it endlessly.

In regular battlegrounds, players will find themselves pitched into a team of fairly randomly selected players. Players may be sourced from any number of realms and may include foreign language realms, although this is kept to a minimum. The matchmaking system (see below) does its best to gather a balanced selection of players, but at times players may find particular classes dominating the group or absent entirely.

Or from a bluepost.

I’ll try to break it down as clearly as I can:

Any addon that enables a full, organized Battleground group to queue against a randomly assembled group is creating a scenario where that coordinated group has a huge advantage. That is not in the spirit of the experience we want to provide in the normal Battleground queue. Playing with friends is fun and important, but it shouldn’t come at the expense of the spirit of the game nor the fun of others.

The normal Battleground queue is for players to jump in and play against other players in a similar situation. We realize that it’s not a perfect system, and we’re still looking at ways to improve normal Battleground queues further. Regardless, it’s not meant for organized groups to “pug stomp” and get quick Honor. We have built in outlets for players that want to organize–if a competitive, social experience was really the goal, then there are clear ways to achieve that.

The ultimate effect that this kind of queuing has had is to drive players away from PvP. Perhaps it’s been a long time since you’ve been in a random group, but a lot of players will see that they’re up against a premade and simply quit. At best, they suffer through it. To an extent premade groups count on this. Heck, one of the popular addons announces opposing players that appear to have rage quit.

Addons aren’t really a viable solution for botting issues, but we do take those issues seriously and we’ll continue our work on improvements to the Battleground system, including better ways to deal with botting and other exploitative gameplay.

I mean I repeat this every day now and you still refuse to accept that neither Blizzard wants premades neither the majority of pvp’ers want them.

It’s getting really tedious.

That is a joke.

1° First of all: you are able to queue in group. Blizzard allow you.

2° The matchmaking it’s rarely fair.

And about the second quote: we don’t use addons or 3° programs to queue.

Sources, stats…?

Talking with you is…

Wrong. It means randomly selected map, as you can select which map you want if you wish, but get no bonus.

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Reading is too hard I get it.
Read the Blizzard quote again, read the definition I posted and stop repeating what you think is right.

Holy cows.

“LOL NO U!”

I know arguments and facts mean nothing to you so I guess we let it be from here.

Nowhere in your quote does it say random bg means random groups. Why are you hurting yourself with these type of mental gymnastics? It also does not explicitly forbid the actions of joining a premade group.

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Nice strawman again, because a) I never said that and b) you on purpose ignored the premade part.
Blizzard doesn’t want premades vs non-premades and they tried to stop it. That doesn’t mean “they forbid” it yet, but they made premades more unlikely in Classic this year by changing queues.
If you want to discuss the meaning of the words feel free and talk to your English teacher.

Again, because:

That is not in the spirit of the experience we want to provide in the normal Battleground queue. Playing with friends is fun and important, but it shouldn’t come at the expense of the spirit of the game nor the fun of others.

The normal Battleground queue is for players to jump in and play against other players in a similar situation.

So we agree, it isnt forbidden and random bg is about random maps. glad we reached this point of agreement.

They kind of do that, on every side there are X people from premades (with premades I mean groups of 2-5 players), and 10 (15) - X people queueing solo. At least most of the times that is my impression. Creating complete matchups for only-premade and only-solo maybe very bad for queue times :man_shrugging: There was some change in rated solo Q regarding tanks (most non-tanks asked for it), and it resulted in queuetimes being much longer, the new reason to whine about :man_shrugging:

Btw, I understand that solo-queuers in BGs don’t want to face pro-premades (even if they are <5), but I wouldn’t want to sacrifice up-to-5-man groups for that. It is legit to play BGs (with friends) like that. If those people are skilled, they can of course make a big difference. Demotivating for the enemy? Yes, but that’s also the nature of PvP. At least Blizz added a hotfix today to shrink that Gear Cap for newbiews/twinks getting lvl 70:

  • Gear item level 312 or higher will be scaled up to 359 in instanced PvP.

Its funny how you ignored most of my post and you say arguments means nothing to me xD

That quote you linked was back in 5.1 about an addon called oQueue. and the blizzard blue pretty much gave his opinion on the matter and nothing shows anything that’s breaking terms of service.

He doesn’t say anything like “Any addon that enables a full, organized Battleground group to queue against a randomly assembled group is against the terms of service”

And the fact he said " The ultimate effect that this kind of queuing has had is to drive players away from PvP."

We’re in 2022 now, that blue post was from 5th december 2012 (which is over 10 years old now) and to this very day, PvP in Random BG and Random Epic Battleground is still alive.

He also said “We’re open to exploring the possibility of creating a pre-made queue for Battlegrounds, or improving the War Game system in some way.” which never happened because blizzard removed the function of oQueue.

Then later on they posted
"In patch 5.1, we resolved some issues regarding how Addons interact with the Battleground queue system. It is no longer possible to automate queuing for standard or random Battlegrounds in groups larger than 5. "

There isn’t any addon or programs today that queues us with a raid group or more then 5 players.

So, End of the day Premades will still continue till blizzard steps in and removes queue as group, So continue going blue in the face because it won’t matter.

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