Then why are they screaming on this board about wanting transfers?
Those of us that collected the ‘time limitted’ items during the time that they were available?
Didn’t you previously tell me that Corrupted Ashbringer was super common and then cast doubt on my claim that I haven’t seen any on Gehennas lately?
Because they either didn’t like it that much, or because they want their progression to be carried over in a meaningful way. Both perspectives are fair and understandable under different circumstances.
I will also say that they did it with SoM, and so it was always up for debate. Diablo, being another seasonal game, lets you keep your seasonal characters and the things earned on them as well. Looking at Blizzard’s track record with seasonal modes, this has always been the case.
How does this hurt your experience and journey of acquiring these items, if I may ask? Do your memories get watered down by others’ having a similar experience? Because mind you, these are pixels in a video game. They hold absolutely no real, tangible value, except what you put in it.
If what you put in it makes you react as aggressively and negatively as I have seen in these threads, on this topic, I’d say it’s not worth it. If you seek these things to feel special, that’s a you problem, because again, pixels in a video game.
I was making an analogue about your subjective views on the topic. Mind you, Corrupted Ashbringer isn’t as rare an item in Classic as it traditionally was, everyone that really wanted it has gotten it a way long time ago.
My guess is, most of them just don’t play Cata, maybe there’ll be a resurgence in MoP, but it sure as balls isn’t this “super rare” item you try to make it out as. As I stated previously, your anecdote of seeing what, 5? Through all of Classic, doesn’t take away that some guilds saw so many they were practically giving them away, and it was easily farmable in TBC.
Oh, and Ashbringer isn’t seasonal, still a coding gimmick. Oh well!
Which was a bad move.
See, this is what I thought ‘Seasonal’ WoW would be like. I thought you’d play for a season through some random gimics and then get sent to era with all the gimics removed at the end.
But nobody on the ‘lemme continue my toooooooooon’ camp ever mentions era. It’salways the ‘live’ realms. Last I checked, my seasonal toons in D3 weren’t moved over to D4.
I wouldn’t have ran Naxxramas every week for a year and a half if I knew I’d be able to just jump on SoD and get an uncontested one.
What kind of argument is this? Pixels hold A LOT of value; so much so that you sign a contract saying Blizzard own all of your pixels, specifically to stop you from selling them. Or are we forgetting about the guy that sold his warglaive character for $7000?
It was originally rare because Naxxramas was a lot harder when you were running it without voice chat and with 12 FPS. On top of that, people didn’t know that it was going to be a time-limitted item.
Probably one of the few things you’ve been right about.
Not so easily, actually. It still required 20+ people and was one of the two contexted items; the other being Atiesh. It sold for anywhere between 20k to 73k in GDKPs. (73k was the highest I personally saw it go for). That was a lot of gold for a lvl70 character.
No, it’s time-locked. It wasn’t brought back even in the 20th anniversary event that you previously mentioned; nor was it added to the black market auction house.
Well their “time” has come again, and their time will go again. It’s not like they were given for free, zullian tiger was obtained the same way as it was back then … Also pure luck…
You seem to think these were given out welfare style… The bloodmoon mounts - took weeks of events and a decent amount of dedication (I know some people had premade mage groups which had it slightly easier).
There’s recolors to T1 and T2 gear … which also would be a cosmetic reward for taking part in sod. Just like tier 2 remasters were given out got mindless dailies in the anniversary event.
These recolors would actually be given out for playing through phases, beating end game content, months of commitment to a game.
The special snowflake syndrome in this thread is awful 
That’s subjective. I bet the people that grinded their efforts out in SoM were thrilled. If people quit over it, that’s a personal issue. Be an adult and move on.
Blizzard can realistically tweak this however they like, as has been shown. They don’t do it to step on your toes you know, they do it to maintain the health of the game, to the best of their ability.
For better, and sometimes for worse. It is what it is.
Ah, but you did, and you’ve had it for a good three-four years before SoD gave it away. Take it as a pre-order, or just, you know, life.
Imagine the faces of the people that spent millions of gold on the BfA AH mount, only for Blizzard to do a “Legendary” version of it on Anniversary, for a fraction of the price.
Subjective. A Black Lotus sells for thousands of euros, but ultimately it’s just a piece of cardboard. Like so, your pixels have no actual value, except what you put in it as a player.
It’s an abstract concept at best, valuing stuff like this. Even so, why do you care if your WoW account would go for X theoretical euros?
And as such, it has been farmed to death in Classic. Not really rare.
And it was still removed because of coding. In part also, because they used it in the lore, but it was never intended as a “time-limited item”.
That is a misconception.
And for no actual graspable reason, they first stated it was a coding problem, but now we have old Naxx again, so that’s possible again. They have also stated it was a mistake to give it to players, but then paladins shortly after got the Ashbringer in Legion, and they have since doubled down on it in SoD, even upgrading it to legendary and letting everyone join in the legend.
Which in my opinion, as an old WoW player by now, I think is the coolest. Who cares if everyone else has a Corrupted Ashbringer? I’m glad for them, I have my Corrupted Ashbringer.
You know? I kinda care. Don’t play Ashbringer wielder in SoD and have my Paladin in Cata who couldn’t even get Ashbringer because by Wrath it was removed entirely. Nothing I could do about it and in the end my character has obtained some good stuff I’m proud of although nothing particularly rare. I came to respect some rare and Legendary items as a symbol of status age and dedication. And now you tell me you want dozens of those in Classic which would still make it unobtainable for me? Kinda stings you know.
Wooah hold up friend. Don’t get me wrong, I am on your side and I am all for preserving rewards like Scarab Lord or ZG mounts or Ashbringer. But SoD - unique stuff on MoP realms is messed up. Imagine you spent 10000 hours playing your character since 2019 and suddenly a bunch of people appear wielding items that you never even had a chance to get to begin with
If we establish a new set of rules where you can get old stuff by playing seasons, you will be able to get it in the next season or in Classic+.
Also you can still obtain it in SoD. In fact there is no time limit on it in theory.
Well that was your choice, though. Lord knows I play every version of classic on a class that can wield that smoking piece of steel.
Where was that said? I’m personally not for locking things out of the game that’s cool, especially considered that basically everything else from old Naxx is attainable in the game elsewhere. T3 will come to Classic MoP soon, in retail they have it both in old Naxx and BMAH.
Hell, most people don’t care for the rarity of the Corrupted Ashbringer, it’s about the lore. It’s a really cool piece of history, even before Wrath.
Again as of Wrath the blade is absolutely unobtainable. And so it followed into Wrath Classic.
Not helped by the fact SoD limits the ability to get Ash to Warriors and Hunters on Horde side and Neither really speak to me through their playstyle. Now if Sod had Horde Paladins and better yet Blood Elf Paladins I’d consider but without that. No thanks mon.
And so you have made a choice, and Ashbringer wouldn’t be a big enough reason for you to roll these classes. That’s fine dude, why you getting heated over not having it then, if you’re so level-headed about it in this regard?
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but with what you just told me, do you actually want the sword enough to justify getting so defensive at others’ wanting the opportunity to have it? I mean, you obviously didn’t care enough for it in SoD to actually roll a class that could use it, so what does it matter to you if some people actually dedicate their time to get whatever version of Ashbringer they want? People that really want Ashbringer would go this route, migrations or not.
If they want to show that appreciation, what does that take away from you? Mind you, as stated, no one ever said it was about rubbing it in the faces of everyone that couldn’t get it, I legit believe the legend is best when it’s shared.
You only say that cause you want your free and easy to obtain Black Quiraji, but sorry to say you didn´t earn it the same so you won´t be getting it cross progression.
“More or less” dont even begin, you had it 100 times easier than anyone that got it back in the day and especially in classic.
It isn´t even remotely the same. You have it on SOD and thats where it still stays as the servers won´t go down.
I would love to have it on my Paladin in Cata but she sadly was created way too late to even have the chance. I never really saw one on my realm tbh even after Tmog was added.
As for SoD I picked the class back in Phase 4 so Ashbringer was kinda outside my scopes of things to consider and I had no way of knowing that SoD dev team will move it from rare drop in Naxx to both absurdly easy to get and absolutely overpowered Legendary. Kinda makes me Jealous you know? Outside Ench Shammies didn’t get jack from Legendaries and Atiesh is now in direct competition against Epic Staff from SE.
And even with transfers i kinda already have my Paladin. Yeah on Mirage Raceway which is kinda empty for Horde but still.
SoD is still active so if you want it you can still go get it?
Tbh I still don’t understand those in the thread being against others getting access to these things like Ashbringer/Atiesh/BlackQiraji etc. How does me having a thing affect you? If scarcity is the only thing making it cool then tbh it isn’t that cool in the first place imo. Like personally I think the Black Qiraji mount is fugly so wouldn’t actually want that anyway, and I only want the Atiesh for the minor bonus of being able to use it as a Kara teleport but I’m sure some people want it for the roleplay aspect and that’s cool too. Let people do what they want to do, why be limiting?
And that is an understandable perspective, I myself started way late back when retail was TBC, and was 12. I really had no prospects of getting one back when it was in the original game, and real life has had it so I didn’t have a chance during Classic nor SoM, but it is what it is. To me it was never about the rarity, it was about the story, Ashbringer has a way cool background even before it was a WotLK Deus Ex Machina.
See, if it’s less about the journey and story, and more about the shinies, why do you care if it would be accessible for a wider audience? It’s not like I’m advocating for these things to be exclusive to a specific group only, I do believe things like this should be able to be grinded out in the game.
Take the hotly controversial Scarab Lord mount as well. Sure, some people here believe that if you didn’t grind bugs like a job for a week, then you basically didn’t do anything.
But that’s just simply not true. It is true that the grind was eased up, but the fact that the original grind was absolutely brutal doesn’t mean the tweaked version is “no effort”.
You still had to do the whole quest line, in a set time frame. They played the game, they did the content. It still took more effort than 95% of mounts do today, and have done since.
WoW was never about “OOOH BUT I HAVE THIS 0,5% DROP THAT YOU CAN’T GET ANYMORE”, it was about the world and the journey. It still is at its core, but people treat it like some loot-box collection closet, and they act like petulant children when people put forth the idea of sharing the joy of these activities with a wider audience.
I actually think it would be super cool if they did a yearly Scarab Lord event, like a recreation of the war effort. Or maybe bi-annually, so the sweats can get a sense of artificial scarcity, since it’s apparently the end-all be-all for some of these things.
No, it hasn’t. You can get those items on different versions of the game wherein they stay, you don’t get to bring them to other versions. I don’t get to take any of my MoP items to retail, you don’t get to bring any of your SoD items to MoP or anniversary.
I’m sure they were, they weren’t the ones who had their achievements and rare items belittled.
Or, you know; I don’t have to do any of that because SoD characters aren’t going to MoP? And the SoD Corrupted Ashbringer has a completely different item ID to the OG Vanilla one and wouldn’t be taken along even if they were?
I don’t have to imagine, I saw the outrage and the memes firsthand. Again, are you sure repeating bad moves suddenly equates to a good one?
That’s exactly how value works. Back in 1930’s Germany, the paper used for currency was worth more than the currency printed on it; what’s your point?
You’re the one that brought it up.
We’ve already discussed this part, it is still rare.
It wasn’t removed because of coding. It was removed because Blizzard retconned the story and decided that giving players legendary lore weapons like Atiesh and Ashbringer was something they didn’t want to do.
They already had the technology to have multiple versions of the same instance; or do heroic dungeons not exist in your world?
They never said it was a coding issue. They specifically said they didn’t want the same instance to appear in two different places; something they would change their mind on later.
An inferior version.
Yes, on SoD. Where it will stay.
I care.
Why should you be able to obtain an item not obtainable in a different version and then take that item to that version?
Because limiting is how this game has ran for twenty years.
Like a black qiraji scarab? Glad you finally agree.
Why are all of you people only advocating going to MoP or Anni and not one of you has mentioned era?
You’re definitely not going to MoP; the fact that Blizzard has given all of us from SoD a lvl85 boost is pretty much confirmation of that.
I obtained it in exactly the same manner as the people from SoM. SoM players got their transfers without any problem and now play Cata on the same realm as people who did it in 2019 the ugly way. Nothing happened, the world kept spinning. I should have the right to receive the same treatment as SoM players
You didnt, no som players had your insanely overpowered class abilities and runes that made it easily doable to solo everything you wanted. Exactly what classes in SOM can solo 100s of mobs on the naxx world wide event spawns ? Ohh yeah 0.
You didn´t earn it, take the loss and level your new character. 
SoD related stuff should stay in SoD.
If you are a collector, go collect in Retail.
Belittled?? Seriously? How old are you man?
Your accomplishment is still yours. That other people have the chance to get it doesn’t magically take yours away. Which I ask, again, how is your experience somehow lesser if others’ get to join in on it?
SoM players didn’t even get the title, so by your own logic you have nothing to cry about in that regard, their “reward” was already watered down to try and please your pettiness.
So far; unless you can see the future, it’s guess work what it holds.
It would also stand to reason, that the Legendary ID would become the epic one on transfer. Naturally. No one is asking for anything else.
Did you quit the game when SoM players came with their Black Qiraji Battle Tanks? Did a particularly high number of players quit over the store AH mount?
As long as they didn’t, the move wasn’t as bad as your feelings make it out to be.
These things you taut as valuable and whatever, hold no actual value. Especially in what is essentially the “mass-market production” as opposed to the “1st edition”.
The only Scarab Lords that hold actual value are those in retail, the rest were easily planned for as soon as the servers went off. Absolutely brain-dead easy, I could put my mentally underdeveloped kid brother to grind it out for me when the War Effort kicked into gear.
It’s still not hard, I’m sorry grinding bugs for days made you so bitter at the prospect of others’ getting it a little easier, it’s still an effort. It’s not a swipe, or a boost.
I talked about the “value” and how it is a meaningless concept in this regard, you’re the one talking about money and numbers. You brought that up, Mr.
But not as rare as gatekeeping it with furious aggression merits lol
They have given multiple explanations henceforth and since, none of them hold actual water given what they have shown in the game and their actions. It’s a half-assed explanation at best, and just straight lies at worst.
Like, everything else bar a handful of weapons from old Naxx, is obtainable.
Lore-wise, it’s the same version. Seeing as one of the reasons they removed it was “but too powerful and unique”, that point is moot.
If you’re telling players they can’t have something because lore, and then give that to players later, it wasn’t because lore. That’s just disingenuous.
Yes, you’ve made it quite clear you’re willing to have hissy fits about this, but you have yet to mention a good reason except: “Strangers, respect my feelings of being special.”
Which is a huge stretch you know? If you had an objective good reason for thinking how SoM players getting their stuff was bad or how it had an actual, serious impact on the game, sure, I’d be inclined to think you were onto something.
But it seems to me you’re just petty about it, you’re arguing entirely from an egotistical stand point and get aggressive when people have a different opinion to you.
In regards to the last part, an opinion can’t be wrong? Just for future reference, as you have called both mine, and others’, opinions as such.
An opinion can’t be wrong, it’s an opinion. But calling people idiots and getting passive-aggressive about it isn’t furthering the debate, you’re just stagnating it.
I’ll go play the game now, if I run into you I hope you’re in a better mental space than you move through in here.