Haven’t you read the article? Women shouts galvanise, but men cries incite murder.
Sylvanas isnt genocidal, she just galvanises to much. No wonder, as she is a Banshee and her vocal cords must be of charts.
And we do have some vaccines for Sylvanas and her Macho. We call it Baine.
He is to Anduin what Diet Coke is to regular Coke.
Fair. But I feel like you won’t have to wait much.
Just look at the change of pace regarding monarch relations between Stormwind and Gilneas. Muzzle your dog your majesty.
This goes back to the article she linked and related with Anduin. Angry men are wrong, good men are best.
I guess fighting trolls but Blizz was doing it for years. The race that is the most politically incorrect xD
Racism, hate speech, oppresive caste system, sacrifices without caring for feelings of others, sometimes cannibalism all that violent toxic mascunilty.
No tolerance for frail and weak.
Man it goes on and on. XD but that is one of the reasons why I like them.
Probably true.
That’s why I dislike Anduin as a character so much… He seems to be always right, simply because he represents how a man should be in the eyes of the writers.
And there you go. First sjw indicator.
Although this one gets muddled by the “Disney trope” that establishes that only the good fellas should succeed and that karmic energies are an actual tangible thing that makes bad guys fail or be punished almost automatically.
You didn’t look hard enough then
But then again Zandalari and Drakkari were the only tribes that were actually explored. Even Darkspears had some darker moments but it wasn’t that much displayed so it’s easy to miss it.
But they’re not borderline evil, kinda what people wanted from forsaken -so pragmatic, dark , focused on survival with no bigger sentiments but I feel that Darkspears does it much better.
Agreed.
I don’t even mind Anduin’s character that much (I even think it’s interesting). I simply don’t like how he seems to be always right about anything and how he’s portrayed as this amazing leader.
Can you show me some examples? Because I certainly can’t remember any political incorrect stuff when it comes to Trolls. Pretty much every NPC enemy troll tribe looks like a gender equal place with basic tribal culture.
Is it in the quest texts? I never play Horde, so I don’t really know your quest texts.
Well the stuff that I wrote above is what define them - and that is politically incorrect by today’s modern day standards.
They’re racist and hateful - especially toward elves and humans.
For Darkspears - they are at least very crotical of elves - in Silvermoon it’s the troll ambassador that complains about them the most. And in numerous occasions they make fun of them by calling them “pixies” for example (Borean Tundra)
they’re fixated on strenght and have no respect for frail and weak. Even the Darkspears - you could read about it in Vol’Jin’s book as he really loathed humans for that - that their bones would shatter if they’d jump the way he did.
And many other minor details but I don’t want to derail this thread.
That doesn’t really sound like anything out of the ordinary…
Pretty much all races have made some negative remarks about others on multiple occasions. Even Varian’s remarks in Battle for undercity were spicier than that.
On topic, look at Saurfangs history. His whole life has been war, and he has done terrible things that he now regrets. Additionally he’s basically lost everything, friends, family etc.
The Horde and its ideals were his redemption and the last good thing he could dedicate his life to, and Sylvanas destroyed it.
Losing the last thing he had left depresses him because after a life of regrets he has nothing to show for it. He feels tired, hopeless and ready to just give up and die.
But the combination of Zappy’s faith in him and Anduins desperate admission that he cannot win alone, Saurfang breaks out of his depression and decides to find his strength and stand for what he believes in.
He isn’t a knight in shining armour he’s just an Orc that wants his own personal honour back, but he can never have it. In his own mind he can never make up for the dishonour he committed while under the influence of the demon blood. What he appears to content himself with now is making sure that the members of the Horde keep theirs.
Honestly I think he is so worried about being honourable that he is going too far now. Letting Malfurion was in short stupid. Yes he got to keep his honour by not finishing someone he got in the back, but now his people and the rest of the Horde are getting killed off because he let the worlds strongest Druid go.
Well done Saurfang you keep you honour. Now you can go personally tell every soldiers parents/children/spouse/relative that they died so you could keep it.
But you’re talking to elf, it takes them millenias to grow up, and you can’t be sure if it’s gonna succeed. Look at Illy, Mally and Tyri. They’re all like above 10 k years old and they still act like angsty highshool students with all their drama.
I agree that your explanation probably describes Blizzard’s intentions, but they really developed Saurfang poorly in BfA and the result is that an ionic character is turned in a weak Orc with a twisted sense of honor.
Consider for example the Malfurion incident (a cool concept, but a very bad storytelling): the situation we see in-game and in the novel is childish and incoherent. It is so poor written that it doesn’t look like a dramatic situation in which a character must face a hard choice. It just looks silly.
If I carefully look at the contents, I can see the cool plot Blizzard has in mind for Saurfang, when I look at story I only see poor narrative that makes him look weak and stupid.
But this is the main point of moral dilemma (or Honor VS Pragmatism if you prefer). An honorable or moral choice could be disadvantageous for yourself or your group/nation and a pragmatic choice could be dishonorable and immoral.
If a moral dilemma situation is well-developed, usually characters don’t look stupid regardless of the path they choose.
For what I have seen in BfA it is the whole Malfurion incident that looks stupid. Blizzard simply failed in developing Saurfang’ s motivations and describing a credible situation.
In the game? Most definitely. In the novella? I don’t really think so. Saurfang is standing above a honorable enemy… that he couldn’t best. He had challenged him to a Mak’gora in Astranaar and was trashed, a defead he accepted. So… he hesitates before killing him, contemplating if he really has a right to go through with it now. Then he apologizes to Malfurion for what he is about to do… and Tyrande arrives, and takes the choice away from him.
Oh, he is quite happy with not killing Malfurion, but in the novella I neither got the impression that he wouldn’t have done it, nor that he actually thought his death was all that important for his war.
With the risk to sound like the Devil’s advocate here, I will speak from Saurfang’s perspective.
He has once seen the Horde forsake honor in pursuit of victory. It seemed smart at the time, it ended in a brutal defeat as corruption ate the Horde from the inside and caused its downfall.
He is seeing the same thing now. He is looking at the same thing as he faces Malfurion and decides to spare him.
In the novella he never decides that. He is conflicted until the choice is taken away.
He looked down on Malfurion again. “I truly am sorry.”
Malfurion turned his head. One eye looked up at Saurfang. He rasped, “You have led your Horde in the service of death. You will regret this day until you die.”
“You fought well, Malfurion,” Saurfang said. “Rest in honor. You deserve it.”
He lifted his axe. And hesitated. Seconds passed, then whole minutes, and Saurfang could not bring it down.
He felt light and warmth shine upon him from above. It held sorrow, hope, and love. Perhaps this was Elune welcoming Malfurion to the next life. Perhaps that made this acceptable. But this kill is not mine.
Perhaps it would be honorable to let Stormrage live. In Sylvanas’s care? It is more merciful to end him now.
Still his axe did not move.
And then, very suddenly, he could not move at all.
That’s the tactician in him struggling with his sense of honor. Saurfang is by no means a pure white knight. And are you sure he did not decide to spare him? He spent a lot of time contemplating over a fallen foe.
