Profession specialisations catch up : Why isn't there any?

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But… That’s exactly what catch up is.
Catching-up doesn’t have to be a clickable item that gives you 300KP instantly, it can be a grinding, quests, whatever we had so far to do it. As long as it’s available, if it takes me a month to catch up I won’t mind, I farmed every single week my Alchemy, it makes sense it’s not instant to reach something close to it on another profession.

Oh! Nice! Could you by any chance give us the name of one of those items, so I can Google it and check whether it’s part of a catch-up system or a new KP source for everyone, please ?

A few examples for the professions I have on my chars :
Alchemy, potion spec, and only 10 points to get the 90-min phials : 255 points needed to even hope to make a profit (without all the taken points, you won’t make any) : https://www.wowhead.com/profession-tree-calc/alchemy/BCjPEF0f6UCZBeBeBejQEG0gueBeBABABAByj0EC1OyABK

Alchemy, phial spec : 295 points if we’re aiming at profit, not be even, just being in the green when crafting : /profession-tree-calc/alchemy/BCjQCE0gueBeBeDyj0BG1OuUBUBZBeBeBe (might lower it to 265 if you don’t consider any decayed phials, but there are the one where you can actually make a profit alongside the elemental chaos).

Inscription, staves and profession tools : 210 points, which is less than Alchemy, but consider the fact that you rely entirely on orders and people won’t make order if you don’t have the whole inspirations points since people will order to scribes with the highest proc chances available (or you have to lie on how much inspiration you got) and also, you HAVE to get this spec before anything else if you want to reach 100/100 : https://www.wowhead.com/profession-tree-calc/inscription/BCl3CD4APxeBeBol4EE4AQqeBUBeBe

Inscription, to make a profit not depending on sparks, which is the initial 210, with the remaining 40 points in rune mastery, then either 70 remaining points in Runebinding (Fauna and Vantus runes) or 100 points in Archiving (for missives, contract and treatises), which adds up to 320 or 350 depending on which one you want to focus on : /profession-tree-calc/inscription/BCl3AF4APvUBUBeBeBol4AH4AQmUBUCeBeBUBeBem-GE4CXnUBUBeGe

Jewelcrafting, rings only, 180 points needed, sparks dependent to craft : /profession-tree-calc/jewelcrafting/BAlADB2uiAlBEB2vUAlCCD2vge4Ei-eBelDDD2wVeCeBe

Jewelcrafting not sparks dependent, so gems, any type (fire in this example) requires 170 : /profession-tree-calc/jewelcrafting/BBlBBC2vRoDolCCD2vge4Ei-eBe

I just learned Jewelcrafting yesterday, so didn’t check exactly the trees until now, and it’s actually requiring not “that much” KP to have at least one craft maxed out, being either a type of gem or piece of equipment, which is a bit surprising when I see how many points I needed in Inscription and Alchemy. I might just be able to get close to this total of points with all available points + 22 points of this current week and the next.

Enchanting, Sophic devotion, it’s between 250 and 280 to have it maxed out (not sure if you need inspiration points for it when you get the primal extraction, I’d need to check on CraftSim) : /profession-tree-calc/enchanting/BBqBFD4HZrKDyBeqaAC4IcQoCyqbAE4Ic5eBeBACo

All in all, depending on the profession, you do need a lot to max out one single craft. When I say max out a craft, I mean taking all KP that impacts in priority skill > resourcefulness if r3 is guaranteed > Inspiration, or vice versa if r3 isn’t doable 100% of the time.

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Maybe you’re looking too deep into the Tree.

If your immediate goal is the Sophic devotion enchant then you’re going to waiting along time and need to put the work in.

I’m going to say this now. STOP focusing on the Big Crafts when you’re starting a new profession. Small steps turn into giant leaps.

Do you know why I made 25 million from Enchanting in 1 week. Because I went for the Sophic Writ and maxed that out first. I saw the importance of getting 1 item out there and maxed out, before going for the high price item.

Whilst everyone else was putting their points into Sophic Devotion (which was being exploited anyway). There was about 5 of us in the entire EU Region owning the Sophic Writ market.

Since then, I have maxed out Sophic devotion quite comfortably.

It’s not about Focusing on getting to the end goal, it’s about focusing on each step to get to that end goal.

Look at JC for example. I started this profession much later than any others. (The removal of artisan Rep for 30 knowledge had not happened at the time of this example).

I decided I wanted to make a Gem. 40 Points in Faceting, 40 points in lets say Air. 30 points in Jewelers Tool kit. Thats 110 points. The other 60 points are worth going for, but not requirements for entering the market.

On week 1 I was able to get most of the way there by Doing the Weekly Profs Quests, Doing all the available First crafts, and doing the One-time Treasures.

Having 1 gem available was enough to get my Jewelcrafting upto 100/100.

As for inscription. I am currently turning over 100k per day selling 1 item which only requires 70 points to get into. Yes, in the end of season economy that’s a really good cash flow.

As I say at the top. You need to stop focusing on the BIG items, and focus on what will get you started. It’s not about jumping into the deep end, it’s about building something over time.

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Yup, totally agree with you on that, but I’m just leveling enchant for the 10.1 and further, I’m not certain right now about the sophic devotion, but I know I’ve sarted to put points for it when I took enchant on my alt back then, and I have a guildmate which we funneled to make him the enchanter of the guild, si I’m not in an immediate need for it, I won’t craft any enchant if I don’t make profit from it, except for the firsts crafts.

I agree with you on what you said about the step by step on how to “grind” the profession, that’s how I did it for Inscription, aiming to this or that depending on the amount of points I’ll get each week, while getting slowly but surely to the endgame.

Right now, the professions I’m progressing are jewelcrafting that I started last night, and enchant, that I took but didn’t have the rigor to do it every week, so I maybe did the whole quests and farm 4 or 5 times, and did maybe 15 treatises, but that’s on me. I expected to be able to catch up later, we can’t, but I also knew I would’n’t be in need of getting it maxed out in order to get enchants with my guild mates having it since day 1.

In the weeks before DF release, we attributed a profession for every raider wanting to do the job, farming the KP each week etc.
Since we knew we won’t be able to get everything, everywhere, all at once (huehuehue) we aimed to get at least 2, sometimes 3 of each important crafting professions, so we could have players aiming for different high-end crafts, I was on archiving at first, expecting the trinkets to be more impactful in 10.0.x but got disappointed real fast, but still too late to switch to rune binding since you couldn’t get 3 specs trees if you didn’t pick runebinding at 25 or 50.

And went for phial spec on the alchemist.

I’m far into the spec trees of those 2 professions, with being also alchemist, potion spec this time, on the scribe, with just 3 week or so of difference between the two.

So now I’m just leveling the jewelcrafting because it’s useful, and most wanted in the /trade compared to herbalism, which the only herbs I farmed in the week were the ones I’d get to loot my 6 KP items, but I’m ok with it not being profitable for a few weeks, as my Inscription wasn’t for a long period.

Yeah, I agree when you’re planning to “use” the profession on the daily basis, you can’t just focus on one single craft, you need to think about the day to day.

What craft do you do in inscription to make money ? Cosmic ink or writhe bark runes ? I don’t spend enough time in the city to make crafts, or when I do, it’s in huge bulks taking 1 hour to craft with R3 crafting speed phial on xD

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Haha, I can’t give away my secrets whilst they’re still profitable. Not on a public forum anyway. Because they won’t last much longer.

But I will confirm it is neither of those 2 things. Although I do believe there is a profit to be made in Runed Writhebark, but it’s a lot slower sale, and has a few goblins pushing down the price on them.

Sadly, I’m not sure what I’m crafting will last much longer, since I have noticed an increase of activity on it. But I have had a good few weeks on it anyway.

The key point to take away is to always test the market, and keep an eye on what is selling at what price, and what the normal price is.

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Also there is still no way to reset your points, and those who exploited the dragonshards of lnowledge at the first couple of weeks can and most likely already sit on maxed out toons(l.
Those who wanna get into crafting now are already hundreds of knowledge points behind…

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Again ive only seriously tried BS this expansion so i can only speak about that prof. So far ive gotten enough KP to be able to craft 4 gear types at max quality, and it takes me about 15 min on average to find a customer by spamming trade chat. You say that we need to stop focusing on speedrunning to maxd out trees and instead be happy with being able to craft 1 item type.
If we assume the probability distribution of finding a customer from spamming trade is uniform, and say for example that you have only maxd out belt crafting. Then it would take on average 60 min to find one customer that you can do a craft for. So thats 1 hour of spamming trade on your alt, thats quite alot. That is why if you are going to be afking in valdrakken spamming trade, you better be able to craft more than 1 type of gear otherwise you would prob make more money just flying around herbing or mining even this late into the expac.

What KP rewards come from raids and m+? And just because arena players dont need crafted gear does that mean that they are not interested in making money from selling it?

I dont care enough about minmaxing in this game so thats why i havent crafted the frostfire belt for myself which is BIS for my class rn but i have still crafted and sold about 30 of them to other people.

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Well that depends what you’re crafting.

Unstable Frostfire Belt happens to be the most in demand item for all Plate users. So you’re not spending 60 minutes spamming. In fact, you’re usually just picking out buyings from the Tradechat that are looking for it.

Also, now is not the time to be spamming trade. The season is over, the are less players around.

Also consider what you craft. Helm, Shoulders, Chest, Gloves are tier set pieces. Legs have a nice embellishment, but is skippable.

You’re best off targeting Belt, Boots, Wrists. As those are filler spots. So if a player needs to rank up a slot to 418 which isn’t going to get replaced by Tier, then it’s going to be one of those slots they target.

For other professions, Ring and Cloak is a another good item to target.

Dragonshards of Knowledge.

True. But just because Arena people want to be Arena people, it doesn’t mean they can’t participate in the rest of World of Warcraft.

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These answers are not making any sense

Im currently 2850 rio and i cant remember the last time i saw a dragonshard dropping.

What do you mean? I was saying that you were saying that pvpers dont need to get KP as a reward from arenas since they dont care about crafted gear since their pvp gear is better.

Just drop this whole act of saying that the KP system is fair for everyone man its not.

Wouldnt surprise me if you were one of those that abused dirt farming at the start and is now advocating against a catchup system to keep the supply of crafters low so the price for goods stays high.

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Guess you’re unlucky then. I probably get at least 1 per week. And then see probably at least 1 per gaming session going to other people.

Today, I picked one up doing my Aiding the Accord Weekly, another whilst searching Dirtpiles for the weekly KP items, and another one from doing Zskera vault (I seem to get 1 from Zskera every week, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to farm it just for a shard). All on 1 character (my main), just doing normal Weekly chores.

Of course it’s fair for everyone.

Everyone has the same sources for KP, well all do the same thing to collect it each week. That is the definition of fair.

No I’m not. In fact, I have been incredibly vocal on some of the exploits that have been used in this system:

Above is an example thread where I was calling out an exploit, which was around about the time as people farming the Dirt Piles.

Oh look and here is a thread where I was asking about Catch up systems as well.

So I do understand where you’re coming from. However over time I realised a catch up system beyond increased Dragonshard drop rates (and what they have already added), was unnecessary.

It just involves playing the game.

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