Every expansion i like to dabble with my alts into all the professions, since legion that became less with the introduction of ranks. BFA and SL even worse.
I had hopes with DF that i could once again do it but i quickly realise it would became a massive time sink to do it, because for each prof i would need to not only do renown for some of the recipes or actual farming but also the weekly quests, if you multiply this with every toon that’s has a unique prof then you quickly become at SL levels if not worse of alt-unfriendliness ( is that a word?). You would need too, to make a wee bit of money of them and become specialist into something so you gotta farm those points too.
I hope in the future to see that whatever knowledge point you get on your mail becomes available on your alt. Unless this is all by design and they dont want you to use all professions on your account and want people to specialise into just one thing. But they should communicate that and outright say it, professions is ment to be used by one character and you pick the one you think you would like more.
(Ps give engineers SOMETHING in future patches please… )
I agree with you. Been trying to keep this up on my alts for all the professions except Engineering. Its time consuming and gets tedious fast. What also annoys me is that it was understood/misunderstood that renown was going to be account wide. It is for everything other than the renown recipes, skill points and cosmetics. I do not get how a level 60 alts with renown 0 can purchase a shovel and dig in the dirt but can’t have access to everything else.
If that be a case then there has to be a skill point catchup somewhere in the future too. Hopefully…
Edit: let also add that those Dragon Shards of knowledge need a serious drop rate increase - as is I have only ever found one from a dirt pile and the other came from a first time WQ last week.
The knowledge system is cool, since you get a sense of progression, but it really does feel like you can’t properly do a profession until you have everything maxxed out, and what could that take? 20 weeks? 25? It’s a bit much.
I, like you, used to dabble in the profession on my alts but this expac I won’t even do one on my Main, probably.
If you don’t get in early, specialise and work on it then I’m not sure it’s worth even looking at. The days of dabbling in professions may be over.
It feels bad to not be able to quickly max a profession like in previous expansion, and to know that one can’t gather or craft as efficiently or with the same quality output as a master crafter who grinded since the beginning.
But I also think the difference between newbie and master crafters isn’t that huge. My high-level herbalism skill that I worked on since DF week 1 maybe gives me 1.5 to 2x more stuff than a newbie herbalist would get. And it won’t incease beyond that. A newbie would still make gold from the profession.
I guess it’s tougher for crafting professions because most people wants max rank stuff. But when I make orders for gear on my alts, I often place public orders and don’t really care about rank. Did the “max 4 public orders per day” change in 10.0.5 make it easier to find public orders?
Bottom line: The profession revamp was executed badly and put off a lot of alt players, who mainly used alts to push their main e.g. through enchants, flasks or gems. They didn’t want you to do it anymore but instead fuel the auction house with your money. They failed, alt fans refused the approach and now there’s a lack of skilled profession alts which especially impacts less crowded realms.
Not to speak of the profession order drought on said realms. I have yet to find a single order for my max skilled alchemist main on Ysera to complete the trading post achievement. Well done, Blizzard. Well done…
I just realised, imagine being a new player and you come into DF with the profs and you realise… everyone else, especially those in the first week made all the money AND are now months ahead of me… why would they bother? IT is a sad thought…
I totally disagree here, alts can go into professions very fast.
Last week, I leveled JC to 70 on alt (unlearned herb) in 2 hours time just to get mettle for crafting an item for main character.
Next day that same alt made 7k profit in 2 hours by crafting JC items.
Yeah i completly agree. I didnt focus much on professions at the start because there was so much to do, but i did the weeklies on my main regardless. Then, 3 weeks ago i decided to max engi, made 700k in crafting orders since.
Got bored of that, so yesterday went to try something else and maxed inscription in another alt, with about 150k i made from my main, was able to start crafting tools and weapons (that will be used on other alts with professions after i have my fun with this one) and reach 100.
Now that character can craft Q5 tools and weapons, aside from 1 staff.
My criticism of the system sits with 2 things:
1: Account bound knowledge points would be good, both with the weekly activities that reward knowledge being account bound, and things like the points granted from Shards of knowledge being account bound.
2: Renown rewards absolutely needs to be fully account bound when you unlock them.
What is badly executed is the balance between professions, where you have profession in high demand that gets skilled very quickly and other where noone wants anything and takes week and your gold just to grow up.
In previous expansions it was too easy to make a selection of alts level up each profession to max and then just sit around crafting and selling.
What they have done is put a barrier to entry, an ever moving line of progress.
But this has been at the cost of the feeling of self sufficiency and made it impossible for any player who didn’t start on Week 1 to ever catch up.
Although I think they should put a catch up in place, I don’t think you should be able to catch up on week 1. But eventually catching up should be possible.
But it doesn’t mean it’s pointless picking up a profession, you can still get yourself to a position to max out 1 item within 2-3 weeks, you just need to hyper specialise your talent choices.
false, since we have professions that specialise in certain things, its very easy to catch, and in its own way professions itself are split into things.
armorcrafting has absolutely nothing to do with weapon crafting for example, and neither has to do anything with alloy crafting.
if I go into armor and someone else goes into weapon, Im not ahead of them and they’re not ahead of me, we’re just doing our own thing.
its same with alts, you make the alt and you can get into certain specialization within a few hours at most.
if you want all specializations, just make multiple alts and you’ll have all specializations in no time.
its as alt friendly as it gets, with enough alts you could get into all professions and all specializations within a week.