It seems every time I look at the patch notes there is a nerf for protection warriors.
I really don’t think nerfing prot warriors is a good solution and instead the other tanks should be buffed. Additionally the last time that prot warriors were considered the best tank was all the way back in BFA and that lasted for only 1 season. Since then other tanks have been much better in terms of what is considered the meta.
Season 4 SL it was just blood DK’s and basically if you weren’t this class and you were playing as tank there was basically no point applying for high level keys. I don’t recall blood DK’s getting nerfed once during SL season 4 so why is it that prot warriors are nerfed every patch now?
I really don’t understand the logic of nerfing a single tank rather than just buffing the others to make them more viable.
I guess you are refering to the youtube video that is floating about.
He was not naked, he had BiS shield (that is where block value comes from, block value decides how much damage a warrior can ‘block’ with shieldblock - aka reduces damage taken more than gear itself)
He was not naked, he had enough items to reach armor before it being normalised (Armor grants less armor for each value in % mitigation)
BiS tank trinkets and t2
Actual dungon/class knowledge, with a team that knows how to stop - he also did the same thing with the other classes. By that logic, all should be nerfed.
Court of Stars doesnt slam tanks, it is the easiest dungon out there for a reason. It is a snoozefest if people interupt/stop kill casts.
So while, I do agree prot warrior is strong. Remember this: It is in a premade group context, in a PuG context, BDK is the strongest option by a landslide.
Once you understand how warrior works, you will reckognise that nothing is more important to a warrior than the shield and its value. It is litterally what is put between the enemy and the warrior in this sense.
That said I repeat:
He played skillfully and Prot warrior is a very strong tank spec. His gear was a handicap, but not by that much.
Saying ‘naked’, or thinking that ilvl 200 matters for much outside context, or that doing this is was ‘crazy’ as some believe - these are all things are blown out proportion.
Not a single other tank can get the same item slots and do the same not even the other block tank can.
While i do agree that it is blown out of proportion thinking warrior was fine compared to other tanks just tells other people you do not want to see reality.
The list of abilities you can use with empty hands is… lacking. Notably, you cannot use Revenge, Shield Block or Shield Slam. For this reason alone, “naked” claims are nearly always hyperbole/clickbait and it would already be leaps and bounds more believable to say that the player used level 1 starter gear.
Prot warrior is currently a strong spec. That is not a lie. Yet that is how the class has always worked, shield is and always will be king - perfect for clickbait vidoes.
Kind of the “Prot paladin clears X max content SOLO! Much wow!”
or
“Crazy brewmastermonk CRUSHES all TOP DPS in key!”
Back to reality.
Now, to what is the strongest tank? In a PuG setting you will see BDK being the King. Why? As long content doesn’t outright kill the tank, it is forever selfsustaining. It doesn’t rely on the healer and got plenty of CC options. Grips being the premium one. This has not changed and will forever be its main strength.
In premades you will see warrior pull ahead. Why? Warrior is the King in settings were a BDK would get killed before he could Deathstrike again - and that is really all it is to it. With the strongest passive mitigation in the game, it allows Prot Warrior to get away surviving hits that would leave any other class on their back (outside CDs - with CDs Paladin is the King).
If the situation comes that tanks got to kite again, DH will be the King of hit and run. If the meta becomes pull the whole dungon in one pull and AoE like crazy - Guardian Druid will become meta.
Currently, BDK, Prot Paladin and Prot Warrior are the main contenders - warrior always living on the fact that passive mitigation pushes the limits more than selfsustain and big CDs.
Now, is that the classes can’t compete or because warrior is just the premium easy way to get it done? I am not too sure. Looking at stats, especially Protection Paladin is up there with warriors and BDKs. Some Monks and DHs as well. The only tank really left behind is the Guardian Druid. I think all agree they should be brought up - and not warrior down.
Reality is - tank balance at the moment is really well done. Warrior is just the most popular tank, both due to FoTM status and because it is really easy to get into.
This is literally not true and if you have played warrior for a long time you will know how very untrue that is.
This right here would be called a noob friendly tank.
Because it is a noob friendly tank.
That is not true if this is the case as you claim then Tank balance in Season 3 and 4 of Shadowlands was really well done.
The tank balance right now is 67% warrior to 33% all the other tanks combined.
This is around the same level as blood dk was in those seasons.
Infact why was warriors complaining in Shadowlands? tank balance was much better then this for season 1 and 2 of shadowlands and was similar to this on season 3 and 4.
This is true for both block tanks the difference is that there are ZERO other tank spec in the game that can just use the weapon(and offhand) neck cloak rings and trinkets and do the same level of content.
Warrior should not be immune to physical damage just because of a shield.
Infact this should be Brewmaster because of the stagger mechanic automatically working this is literally their niche that warrior is using.
go and watch andy 26 azure vault in the last part before 3rd boss they almost pulled everything in the all rooms and andy hp doesnt even move a bit you really think that is fine?!
its fortiefied 26 azure i know he is one of the best tanks around and he got a insanely good team but do you really think they could do the same with other tanks?!
i dont really think so prot warrior shouldnt allowed to have this much survivability i dont mind if their king in blocking physical dmgs but they should not have such a great tool like spell block and such let them have their own weakness atm they are litterly imposible to compete with and tune their dmg down by like 30% or so you cant be the most tanky class and almost the best dps aswell considering it also providing a group buff aswell.
i legit recomend you to go and watch this 26 azure anyone who plays any keys beyond 23+ understand what i mean they really need to hit warrior much harder in both dmg and survivability if they want balance
or bring back 10% dmg reduction to tanks again and leave warrior for this one maybe that can help other tanks to get near warrior again but its not the defencive part the warrior dmg is insanely high only brew can compete with him.
Haha - BALANCE!
U think it s a balance? Tank with Mass Taunt, with HUGE Dps, with HUGE Surviavability, with Huge Utility for group, with BUFF for the group, With Spellreflect (only 1 this spell makes this class already totally broken - u have even no Idea how hard to tank Bosses on Tyra Weeks).
This Spec should be NERFED. ASAP. Nerfed more then they think it s reasonable. When u start Diying from standart 10 seconds spam Abilities on packs without any CDs - u will be balanced. now - it s just a joke. U stand and just press dps buttons - u have even no idea how hard some abilities on pack are hitting others. U have no idea.