There is a clear problem with tank DPS overall, feels like each season it gets smaller compared to DPS classes, very poor design and mistuning on Blizzard part. it will both lead to issues with threat and discourage people play tanks. We’re like 70% into PTR and Blizzard did not even bother to address this issue, very dissapointing.
That i can agree on,and the first step towards achieving some parity is reverting the nerfs to damage trinkets for tanks and healers.The only reason they even made those changes was with the dreadful state of tanks they wanted to achieve for some reason in s1 in mind(worst season in a long,long while btw) and they hopefully have realised that said direction was terrible.So yeah 33% dmg nerf,revert that.
Also allow tanks to use the dps mode of the reshii wraps instead of locking us into the useless absorb(or hell make it full customisable and let any role use any mode of the cloak).
With 2 VERY simple changes you have now gone towards making tanks slightly more fun without even touching the many,many issues all tanks have.
If VDH is meta tank in m+ in season 3 again, and it currently looks like it will be, it would mean that in 5 seasons in a row VDH was only not the meta tank once. That is insane.
except it’s not?have you touched ptr?everyone is playing brew and prot war because they’re doing 50-75% more dmg than AR vdh with similar if not better survivability
The off chance VDH won’t be meta yet again would be a step in the right direction and a good change of pace. 
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Dead specs is not the win you seem to think it is.Noone is asking for VDH to dom we had enough of that with prot pala in s1,we just want it to be viable key AND damage wise and btw wtf did you get 5 seasons in a row?prot war was DF s1,bear was s2,DH was s3 (s4 doesn’t exist noone played the game) and for TWW it has been prot pala s1 and DH s2. That’s 2 seasons out of 5?And with VDH being consistently the worst raid tank?Hardly the domination you seem to think it has had and hardly DH’s fault for caster comp being degenerate,sounds like blizzard’s beloved mages need to eat some nerfs(cos SP and boomkins already have).
Arátór, what you write is full of orthographic errors, hyperboles and plain falsehoods. It is very frustrating to read and therefore not worth my time, I am sorry.
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“orthographic errors” and yet you’re unable to point out any
Long story short you have nothing of value to add to the discussion and are again happy to take potshots at anyone who does.
Guess I’m the fool for expecting anything different.
Has Blizzard been uninterested in the Holy Priest in M+ for three seasons in a row?
It can’t be that they don’t see this, and especially the problems that come with being Holy in even getting an invite at higher keys.
Mana and a lack of group support will break our necks again.
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I don’t know what you’re talking about. Tank dps is about half of dd’s dps, both before and now.
but that’s not what I wrote. I wrote that the gear, build, and stats of tanks on the PTR are so suboptimal that their dps is comparable to the dps of good tanks in the second season.
that is, there is no point in trying to make a tier list of tanks on the PTR now)
If you personally manage to pull half of the dps of some random DPS dealer, that doesn’t mean it’s true for everybody.
Tank’s damage overall has been getting progressively weaker compared to DPS specs since TWW with each season. People across platforms and a number of youtubers were voicing this concern. This is why Blizzard had to increase overall tank damage by 15% on start of p2 and and then later into season add additional 15% threat generation for all tanks.
Those were half measures and a more meaningful solution is needed.
Update:
I’ve just checked your logs for your timed Cinderbrew 17,
The highest dps was retri pala Mcola with 5,515,401 DPS
Your dps as a tank was 2,216,414 dps.
You did only 40% damage compared to highest damage dealer , who is not even a meta spec.
The gap between you as a tank and a skilled unholy DK would probably be even higher.
So even your own logs contradict you statement. And bears DPS is by no means weakest this season among tanks.
I dunno why you’re arguing for an arguement sake, that doesn’t give you any credit.
And to begin with 50% is not a good scale for tanks in my opinion. I believe it should be around 70% compared to DPS.
I mean there’s really no counterincentive for tanks doing decent dps.Are you perhaps afraid of having too many people signing up to be the most unpopular role in the game?Or a 5tank meme meta in m+?Tanks should be able to dunk on (bad) dps on aoe and do somewhat less on ST and it would hardly break the game.
I didn’t see this, I played all these seasons.
and what does meta spec have to do with it, or not meta spec? paladin dd gives a lot of dps, especially in dungeons, where there is a lot of aoe. his dps is above average.
I wrote a very rough approximate estimate on average.
besides, I wrote not specifically about the bear, but about tanks in general.
you can open the logs of players from the first lines, in different instances, and on different specs, and you will see approximately the same picture, if you know how to analyze.
and as far as I know, this has never happened.
moreover, if the tank will have 70% of the average DD’s dps, then the setup of 3 DD, healer and tank will give a little more than 3.7 dps units, and the setup of 5 tanks will give 3.5 dps units with the same routes. only, the routes of 5 tanks will be much more aggressive, and the setup of 5 tanks will become the meta, if your desire is realized.