Very small minority uses forums, only people who are whining. But ingame/discords I know many paladins who hate exo fast 2h and prefer 2h slow ones. You telling me you’re ok with sulfuras not being a paladin 2h?
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lol you didn’t go far
where was i suppose to be going?
I’ve basically mastered the rotation for twisting, I get about 1.5k dps on Testwerk with wild strike, thats about right I think. And its still boring as hell. Why would anyone subject themselves to this mess.
You are over simplifying the old rotation, yes it was mostly 1 button but you did have to keep your seal up, use Crusader Strike tactically. Sometimes you could fit in other abilities, but at the risk of your dps if you get an exo reset.
Not playing twisting is not an option if its the best, I want to perform high. So blizzard should not do a total 180 and force us on this play style, its so rude after they’ve already set the tone - to marginalize a large group of players and force us into the play style we dont want. Blizzard should poll it, I would bet my Character that more than 50% will say they dont want twisting. If more people actually want it I will shut up and stop playing.
Thats not true, the Paladin discord doesn’t seem too great on it, a lot of the higher performing players I’ve talked to see this as a nerf, most arent too fond of twisting.
Blizzard has made Paladin too decisive. Literally all they have to do is give another viable and competitive option to twisting, it doesnt have to be exo spam - but it would be good if it was still.
It is true. Ask around, I don’t know people who really enjoy the exo spam, in fact I always hear bad things about it on how it’s so boring
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I’m sorry to tell you that I don’t know where you’ve been talking to those people or if you’ve just ignored those who didn’t like Seal Twisting.
There is people that enjoy both and thats the hard reality whether u like it or not.
I personaly enjoy both but if i had to choose right now i would choose the Exo spam we had before this bootleg wotlk ret seal twisting playstyle.
But now, lets be honest
why cant we have both playstyles?
I would realy love a rune on the chest slot to give us seal of vengance or something to realy go full into seal twisting like the 6p tier set bonus but allowing us to twist a third seal
The Ret Paladin Discord seems happy about Twisting being back, the thing what they are worried about is the T1 6 set bonus at it might make the rotation wonky.
Im very pro Seal Twisting Ret who loves this playstyle but I can understand where you are coming from not wanting it. You really could keep using AoW and Purifying Power to maintan your playstyle you do now but just weave CS, Conc and DS between every Exorcism for only 400 dps less than Twisting. Classic is so easy one person doing 400 dps less is meaningless.
Now your fundemental problem which I have said to you around 5 times is this; SoD isn’t WoW plus, its ERA WoW with some later expansion abilities and passive to boost unviable specs. No class got or spec got a new rotation.
Retri in Classic ERA rotation was Seal Twisting SoR with SoC and relying on 100s of gold of consumes to keep your mana up.
For some unkown reason in phase 1 they intentionally disabled the Seal Twisting of SoM because they didn’t want Rets to Twist. After 2 Phases of adding Runes, basically all of our Runes only ended up affecting 1 ability which was Exorcism and thats why we had a 1 button rotation. It turns out if you try and modify Rets playstyle Pre-Wrath/Cataclysm, the only abilities that you can affect in their base kit if you disable Seal Twisting is Exorcism, Conc and HoW. They did this an it made our entire playstyle degenrate and forced us into the 1 button playstyle.
So if they add Twisting back into the game this means Slow weapons become dominant and abilities like CS and DS start taking priority of Exorcism. It makes us actually get a rotation instead of 1 button and turn off your brain.
You have to remember every expansion Retri went through a drastic rework. ERA was complete unvaible trash, TBC was SoM and Twisting with CS weaving, it pumped extremely hard at single target at the end of the expansion but was trash at AoE. WoTLK removed Twisting and made Retri have strong cleave but very weak single target damage. Retri was unviable until Blizzard intervened in Ulduar and gave some strong buffs. Cata has Retri probably at its best design out of Classic and has the best class fantasy but required the Class to get a new resource System which makes this playstyle unable to be implemented into ERA.
So as we can see, the point of SoD and Aggrend has said this multiple times is ERA with a Twist. They want to keep the core of every spec and sprinkle a couple new abilities or passives to make them stronger. Well the core of Retri in ERA is Seal Twisting and as we can see 3 phases of them trying to make Retris good without Twisting made them even more brain dead than they were in ERA and it failed. So they decided to go back on Seal Twisting and add it in so Retris can have an actual rotation.
They said they can’t find a way to buff Retri abilities without making the rotation degenerate or having to rework the class so heavily nothing of its ERA playstyle remains so it basically becomes a new class. This level rework is out of the scope of SoD. Giving Seal Twisting back has now given Ret a Rotation and made all their abilities good compared to Exo spam spec that only has 1 good ability. Overall this is why the Seal Twisting spec will be the successor out of the two.
The guys on Light Club are but a lot of people in other discords like Paladin Classic seem to have much more mixed opinions thats why i think they should keep both styles being viable not equal.
The thing i dont like with this “new” style is that its a bigger mess than Exo spam because having to use DS makes the Twisting rotation much more messy and i dont think thats the way to go if Twisting is becoming the way to go thats why i ask for something to replace DS on the chest slot, because something like Seal of vengance or allowing triple seal twist would be much better
SoD has Two way Twisting so the rotation is actually very simple. I don’t trust the other Paladin Discord you said because I typed the word “Boomer” for a joke when they were talking about the WoTLK rotation and they perma-banned me. They seem like a minority of whiny middle age men who are unable to discuss anything without having a meltdown.
You now just Twist and weave an ability after every twist. Judge is of the GCD so you Judge and use the GCD to re-seal. Its actually a very smooth rotation.
In TBC with 1 way twisting and gruuls spine giving a lot of haste, made the rotation much harder as you had to switch from 1/2 twisting to 1/3 depending on it procing.
SoD twisting is easier to do and the lack of haste procs literally makes it 100% consistent.
Don’t need the history lesson. I heard you say this before. I dont care about historical context or any precedent that says Paladins should twist. Its unintended bug gameplay and it has absolutely no place in SoD. Even if you think the system before was a broken 1 button rotation, that is basically the way every other class is in SoD. Mind Spike, Mutilate, Shred, Raptor strike. Most classes have 1 ability doing most of the damage.
Maybe its not the best way to have all classes using 1 ability for most of the damage, but thinking putting Paladins into twisting is the fix is just wrong.
They gave us twisting because a vocal minority have been talking about it, but most people do not want this, as our poll is starting to show.