which are annoyingly few, considering how she’s meant to be the big bad. Or was, but now she’s being groomed to be a high elven alliance high queen
Unwind the corrupt reality we knew, breaking the shackles thrust upon us to make something better.
Wait…
Oh come on- it’s made blatantly obvious that she has everyone, including people decidedly loyal to her, still, killed
i guess leader figures are only responsible for the deeds they themselves personally do and not the things that they order, or that those under their command do because the concept of accountability does not exist
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interesting worldview, not sure i agree
“If they don’t leave in 15 minutes we’re legally allowed to shoot them” meme policy of governing. Treason is death, as we know and her political meta was to deny her people any option but her so as to crush any hope of an alternative because hope bad. In the name of Free Will, you were always free to serve her or not. The latter option has consequences attached.
This was a whole thing on the taurajo discussion, wasn’t it? Or was it some other incident? Collective punishment vs individual accountability as a faction difference?
ok so your entire point of ‘well ackchually, sylvanas didn’t do this bad thing, she had it ordered so she didn’t do bad things actually?’ feels kind of moot, unless you’re trying to make some other point?
Yet more intriguing, decidedly apolitical commentary from the WoW writers yet again…
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i think you’re really crazily shadowboxing a point no one is making
i’m pointing out that sylvanas has done virtually nothing with her own hands because i find hands-off baddies extremely lame
No, in fact, it’s not. Calia explicitly says “all the others” were defecting on page 366 of the book. Only Elsie didn’t turn traitor, and she stood in the middle arguing with Calia against instructions. Granted, no, shouldn’t have died for that, but maybe Calia’s to blame for urging a mass defection of the Forsaken governing body idk.
you should probably have said that instead of “hm she hasn’t done anything bad though??? list bad things she’s done”
ok I didn’t know this because I didn’t buy the smelly book, fair point there I guess
mass executing people for disloyalty is still very bad though btw
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Would you expect anything else if the entire Ironforge senate or Stormwind house of nobles decided to switch sides at a supposedly peaceful gathering while you’re still at war?
Like is Sylv just meant to let them go?
Idk I just think it’s a blatantly obvious bad act of evil™ (because it is)
Probably just an issue taken with your original wording of “full list of her wicked deeds.” That, combined with the focus on things that Sylvanas has personally done on her own without any sort of delegation to minions whatsoever, could make it seem as though you don’t consider Sylvanas responsible for stuff that she did delegate to her minions.
I mean, it only takes a post or two to figure out that’s not the case, but it’s an easy conclusion to come to.
you should probably read and not imagine things then get mad when they’re wrong but its ok i will forgive you
yeah honestly that entire massacre is 100% on anduin’s head for taking calia there even though he knew better
hence why i often ask people to clarify their points before i start swinging 
and often don’t 
I mean, let’s not pretend that Sylvanas wasn’t going to do something dastardly anyway, considering that her motive for that particular event was to crush any hope that the Forsaken had and to make them as hateful as she was, and that her over-arching motivation during that period was to send as many souls into the Maw as possible to fuel the Jailer’s Mawsworn army.
Anduin and Calia might have done some stupid things which made the event a bit more morally grey but hindsight tells us that Sylvanas would’ve probably used any excuse to screw things up for everybody. BFA’s over, we can put aside the red-versus-blue mindset and just accept that Sylvanas was a lieutenant of the Jailer at the time and her sole purpose on Azeroth since Wrath of the Lich King was to bolster his army.
Anything that once pointed to the contrary is retconned a clever trick played by the writers to keep us in suspense and from knowing the full story, praise be to the writers.
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yeah i much prefer to just frame the events in the way they went at the time instead of blizzard’s acid trip where sylvanas wanted as much death as possible and raised an army of explicitly not dead people for this purpose
Is this just endgame now?
The big bad guy collects all of the Mcguffins, including taking the final one from a dead robot. Afterwards he portals away to go make a reality that aligns with his belief system.
Also because half the dialogue in this game is just Marvel-esque sardonic quips like the bad guy has read the script.
I mean, probably sure, they gave her a good reason to do it, but can’t very well lay hypothetical alternate universe events at her feet.
Otherwise Jaina would’ve drowned Orgrimmar already.
Wish we lived in that universe.
safe bet that at some point Thrall will yell “BRING ME ZOVAAAAAAAAL”.
Your argument of “Sylvanas did nothing wrong because it was her lackeys that did most of the stuff” is so retarded that it can be extended to literally any tyrant in our history to absolve them of their crimes.
I’m sure you’re trolling, but it still hurts my eyes.
Edit. Nevermind, I’ve been corrected (see below)
Pretty sure that’s not their argument, as reading all of the other posts since that post would tell you. They just wish that Sylvanas was less of a hands-off villain, and that’s it.
Also, you should probably edit that post before a whole swarm of people come to crack down on you for ableism.
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