PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 1)

is left outside in the cold and rain once again

To be entirely honest when the developers say stuff like:

“Sylvanas is now realizing she’s been a pawn in the Jailor’s schemes”

They’ve already gone beyond ‘ruining’ a story. This is akin to exhuming a corpse. A corpse they already buried and exhumed at least twice before. How long can Sylvanas go on living like this, as a perpetual retard?

It’s science fantasy. Stop hurting yourself ( figuratively ) over lore you’ve had easy access to for decades :stuck_out_tongue:

Tbh, he’s the only character who’s stated goal is unambiguously clear. Even if the meaning behind it is a big ???

Okay he wants to remake reality. This statement is apparently enough. Be nice if he said WHY he wants to do it beyond “Me big bald nipple man evil rawr ecksdee”.

It’d have more spaghetti than a spaghetti western and nowhere near enough self awareness or cheese. It’d be super, super cringe. Like, the cringiest spaghetti you have ever had, where the pasta is undercooked.

I want pasta now.

Clearly the pickaxe predates all of creation. Perhaps creation was in fact made by a primordial pickaxe…

Maybe we’re just below the deepest layer of Minecraft, waiting for the pickaxe to uncover us…

Yes, but I think your cup runneth over here Sainur. Golden has many faults but I don’t see the connection between her being a crazy cat lady and developers being incredibly disconnected from the playerbase they’re nominally creating for.

Didn’t she get like, specifically brought on to do narrative stuff anyway? Seems a bit of a waste to hire a ( mediocre ) franchise writer and then not utilize their ( average ) talent to the fullest.

Yes, but not to the point where the sets are basically homogenized and near-unreadable as to what class is what set. I still can’t point out which set is the Paladin set, and the Warrior set doesn’t even look remotely warrior-esque going by previous tier sets which managed to at least look cohesive in class fantasy even if they adhered to raid themes. Look at WoD’s paladin set, that’s draenei themed but is hardcore paladin themes as well.

Or hell, Warrior Tier 1. Tier 1 has nothing to do with the Molten Core, it’s just badass warrior armour with spikes.

I guess giant slab shoulders is a warrior thing now though?

They redesigned him from a creepy old bearded wizard into Handsome Nippleward.

Think on that Lintian. They redesigned him to have his nipples out for 2 thirds of the expansion.

At least 6 months come on man.

Yes they do which is why they basically gaslight the playerbase in most interviews.

“You think you do but you don’t” mentality.

Because the game is too far gone for that to actually fix the issue. Hell, right now Alliance has the edge in racials over the Horde. But you don’t see guilds switching over to Alliance en masse to take advantage of the free dps increases of… :checks cards:

Mechagnomes.

Psst… Mists of Pandaria

To be fair we’re always told this, but rarely shown it. Horde always gets the camera, Alliance gets the pity scraps about how they actually did good and really did win now there there shut up so we can focus the camera on Jaina touching Thrall’s bicep in slow motion.

Mission Failed, don’t worry we’ll get 'em next time!

He’s having a sad with his mum or something. Or making :eggplant: jokes about weapons. idk.

What, Blizzard doesn’t know how to write for the Alliance?!

My world is shattered Vixi. I doubt I can ever recover from this.

'cus they’re the protagonists duh, even when they’re supposed to be antagonists. Alliance are just supporting characters who get told “You dun good” at the end despite accomplishing next to nothing that wasn’t handed to them on a plate.

Ssssh, Blizzard forgot ok just enjoy the pretty pixels wooo [ dangles endless reputation grinds and timegated content in front of Vixi’s face ]

Just when he became interesting too. Just when he started showing some charisma and Kingly-ness, he gets offed. Because… uh… uhm… reasons involving not sacrificing a gnome in a mech suit.

No >: (

Ok. This post is long enough now. FINE Raynardo. I’ll listen just this once.

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Sinister/ominous music starts playing as the horde just generally exists.

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sorry making archaeology interesting is literally impossible for small indie dev blizz

I literally do not remember this ever happening in BFA on Alliance in relation to Dazar’alor.

Unless it was some obscure World Quest.

This would require them shining any kind of light on the Alliance in the first place :stuck_out_tongue:

It’s not like it’s interesting in real life you’re not even allowed to eat the millennia old mummy soup you find

You can see some dark iron troops attack civilians in the raid (only if you play Horde i believe) but they’re dark iron dwarves so I don’t know what anyone expected. It’s like the Shadowmoon Mag’har orcs doing organized necromancy in Stormsong Valley during one of the invasion world quests.

Yeah but the player doesn’t do anything of the sort so I dunno why it’s being counted in the “Alliance players literally did warcrimes” pile.

incidentally: I’d do it again. thumbs his nose at the horde

I am beyond angry at you now.

WAT?

People also always ignore night elf druids wearing the Cenarion Tabard fighting for the Alliance or the tauren shaman wearing the Earthen Ring tabard fighting for the Horde.

Hence why I was asking for clarification in my earlier posts.

Do we count all warcrimes of BfA done by the faction, or only those by the player?

Faction entirely, else alliance would outnumber the horde too much

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Sorry, the winners don’t do warcrimes. Only losers do :sweat_smile:

Also it isn’t just the Alliance or Horde. Ebon Blade is one big warcrime and Dalaran/Kirin Tor wasn’t above torture enemies for information either, right?

They ask others to do it for them
Outsourced torture

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They don’t ever pretend to be anything else. In fact they’re quite happy to suggest everyone else should do more war crimes too.

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Weirdly enough they spout quotes coined by Garrosh.

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I mean, its smart… I suppose…

And I like em for that!

Sacrifices another gnome out of spite

I will always hate that, not because it’s legally a war crime (no geneva convention in Azeroth) or because targeting healers, on principle, is wrong (their battlefield role and sheer power means they are a target in combat) but because of the context and the ethics of it.

Running into a hospital caring for civilians and killing everyone you can find there because it’s in your enemy’s nation will always be evil to me, no matter whether it’s that world quest in BFA or the Kunduz hospital attack IRL.

I am sure others will disagree but I feel strongly on the matter, especially since it feels like the hardest point of the villain bat that the Horde was thwacked over the head with.

I guess I feel less strongly about it nowadays if only because WoW is making itself as difficult as possible to care about in general, and when it comes to lore events I don’t like there’s been quite the inflation going on.

(And yes, I know it’s a world whose ethics do not necessarily line up with ours, but if they want me to sympathise with a faction then I will judge it by my own ethics rather than its own.)

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Fast answer is that the Alliance storytelling and “war crimes” in BfA was simply praxis, and most posters are unable to realise that.

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I don’t know what this means :frowning:

It means whatever you want it to mean. That’s praxis.

We can debate the lore all we want, but if I saw a billionaire party IRL be crashed by folks feeling like some direct action you can be sure I would cheer.