Yeah, I just wanted to focus on one aspect of this, in this case the Night Elves because they’ve been dunked on the hardest since WoW’s launch. There’s hundreds of other knock-on effects of just Medivh failing to open the Dark Portal, but that would be a topic by itself.
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I’m still convinced her all-loving ways is partly using her charge as life-binder as a coping mechanism. Fair enough, then until we actively scoop the trauma out of the mental sewers for a nostalgia(?) quest about old lore most modern players neither know nor care about.
Supposedly, not allowing the horde to be summoned to Azeroth collapses the eastern kingdoms into civil war until the legion sweeps them away. Supposedly.
I really don’t like the bronze flight narrative of omnipotent correction of a One True Timeline at the expense of untold amounts of suffering. It puts them as the hub in a great wheel of causality across universes via time travel that they were never competent enough to handle. At Aman’thul’s command, at that who’d know better than to end up imprisoned in the sky at this point.
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And supposedly there are infinite possibilities so it all might also work out and Azeroth would have a unified Titan-infused planetary defense force by the time Sargeras or the Jailor figure out how to open a hole in the sky. 
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I hate it every time Blizzard introduces time travel. Nothing good ever comes from it.
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The problem is that it’s not played very well either. Half of the time the bronze are responsible for modifications to the One True Timeline and they are seen as fine since WoW Classic. Chromie gave you some alternate-time stuff, then you have the War of the Ancients having time travelers, then you have Nozdormu using the Dragon Soul (!!!) from the past to kill present Deathwing (!!!). How’s this meant to be?
You can’t tell me it has to be this Big Transcendent path and then have small and big contingencies modify it.
But somehow, infinite dragons trying to stop the Legion’s arrival is bad and can’t be allowed. It just… doesn’t add up.
I wonder if we will discover that the Bronze’s vision is just a flawed one.
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Doesn’t help that they can’t decide whether time travel in WoW works in the form of an infinite multiverse, or splitting timelines, or there being one true timeline
Why limit yourself to just one, when you can have all three?
do you think AU nozdormus and MU nozdormu meet up to chat 
about each other’s timelines
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We know it is, seeing nozdormu basically explaining his time-sight and intervention the exact same way Velen would his prophetic ability. You see a good ending and work toward it. Sometimes there are oopsies and lots of people die.
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I’m stealing this one for my anti-dragon characters, thank you.
It’s not a crime when you show cleavage and wear heels. Duh!
The only correct kind of character.
Don’t let anyone crush your dragonscale emporium dreams.
I won’t lie, I’ve checked the quest and I don’t think it’s this drama-worthy feature people make it out to be.
It’s obviously a dark time for Alexstrasza but its a piece of narrative, and it’s not being glorified. It shouldn’t be treated as a big deal. Not everything should be about petting pets, sacrificing night elves for the greater good and hugging trees.
I disagree, to be quite honest.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyhJh-kaEAEzlyJ?format=jpg&name=medium
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They picked this moment in the lore out of all things to possibly portray with Zany Gnome, the Dragon going “don’t tell alex tho!” (she’s standing right next to her so she hears all of it anyway.) Just a really weird and uncomfortable story beat to have given what was revealed about the old developers of this game in these last few years.
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I don’t think the two are connected: there is a massive difference between an actual crime and a random fantasy story. People overthink these situations, IMHO, and some keep trying to look for anything that isn’t remotely safe, then cry wolf.
I know some people with their McDonald degree in hamburgers and twitterhead opinions will disagree, because you fear the two are connected. And well, it’s easy to apply the fact post-hoc ergo propter hoc, so what else can I say if not that it’s a mediocre analysis.
Like, I get it, you think it’s distasteful. And I think that’s not a big deal.
IRL I am a vegetarian because I don’t want to partake in needless harm towards animals, yet in WoW I have no problem killing a beautiful stag and skin him… and it’s because it’s not real. I am not harming any stag. And so is this story: no red dragon was harmed. We can discuss how distasteful that is, but it’s not going to turn anybody into monsters.
Quite the opposite, I even believe hyper-realism nudges us to reflect upon implications of our world, and allows us to reject some of the wrongdoings we witness in our daily lives. Just as some may read it as an apology, others could read it as a denunciation of violence.
I don’t think that story was deep enough to justify anything noteworthy, it’s neither an apology nor a denunciation, they just needed to add extra bad points to a bad guy in a fantasy setting, and explain how the good red dragons would help a baddie.
And I’m not going to discuss about it further because it’s not a great story either, and I’m not going to defend it, but the tendency to create an outrage culture out of every little trivial bit of non-existent issue is an obnoxious first world problem.
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sir wow is a quirky goofball setting for ages 12 and up
this did not and has never belonged
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Helen Lovejoy, I think kids will barely understand what’s going on unless you spill that on the forums.
Some people here have read this stuff when they were young and I don’t see them being scarred for life after DotD.
Let’s not drag in the children everytime you have a problem with the game.
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I would normally agree with you, as I despise outrage seeking social media culture. But given blizzards conduct and the drastic tonal dissonance with Dragonflights otherwise dreamworks-esque noblebright adventure.
Just because it’s on twitter does not automatically make it hysterical outrage. I think in this case its very valid to criticise this and say “Woah hold on a minute, this should not be here and blizz should not be touching a subject like this.”
At the very least it’s fruitbowl hypocrisy. No racy paintings and flirts allowed but we can have romeo alpha papa echo.
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Lemme tell you about the dairy and egg industry.
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There are literally dozens of things they could paint as “canon events”, the red dragonflight being subjugated didn’t have to be one of them. They could have gone with anything from Alterac betraying the Alliance to escaping Dalaran sewers with Kael.
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Be careful with generalizations like these.