Ji Firepaw spent the entire time hanging out on the Speaker of the Horde’s ship, flexing on the Zandalari from afar.
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I assume those who were uninvolved specifically in the attack on Brennadam.
I dislike this. Zandalari are more interesting if you interpret them as having more human lifespans, at least in my opinion.
Considering that every other stone of a Zandalari temple is plated with gold, this might be more meaningful than it seems.
Not certain if I like how Lor’themar has been characterised. The description makes him seem like a fun-having himbo, while Thalyssra is the stately and serious one. Then again, I disapprove of these stories being told through the perspective of world leaders, who should ideally have better things to do.
11.0 having no night elves (or anything taking the form of a night elf or anything night elf adjacent) has already done wonders to cure my night elf fatigue. If we get a full eighteen months of the War Within without night elves featuring prominently, I don’t think I’ll have a major issue with night elves coming to the aid of Quel’thalas.
If I do take issue with the presence of night elves in Midnight, it’ll be because of Alliance characters and races nudging blood elves out of the spotlight in an expansion based in Quel’thalas, not because of night elf fatigue.
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Also, God-King Rastakhan was around 200 years iirc and “lived many troll lifetimes”.
So if anything a troll should have a shorter than average lifespan, no?
Void elves are technically blood elves 
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They’re Thalassians. They’re not Blood Elves.
Though they could be again, if they chose to defect back to the Horde. They still probably wouldn’t be allowed into Silvermoon or Quel’danas though.
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Weren’t Umbric and co pro-Alliance, void-using exiled blood elves tho?
Also, now that we know Queen Thalyssra’s stance on Fel-usage in her city, would be cool to know how Fel is seen, regarded and used (if at all) in Silvermoon.
And the stone from a millenia-old temple also has a lot of symbolic significance. Could be something the Lorewalkers would be interested in, or even a practically useful artifact… if it gets elaborated on, it might be an actual relic the Zandalari would never have given away lightly.
Umbric didn’t look fondly on the Horde, though that might be justification he put out there after the fact.
They didn’t exactly seem thrilled about the Alliance either - after all, they were rocking around the Ghostlands doing their research for what seemed like years in exile, instead of seeking kinship with the other high elves. They only joined the blueboys because of Alleria.
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Iirc a cdev blog confirmed the removal of the burning crystals and i imagine – given how that one demon hunter in a dungeon commented he was treat like a freak and shunned by his kin – the blood elf stance on fel and demons aint changed.
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We have created a strange situation where the Blood Elves have become High Elves and completely dismissed the pragmatic mindset but now the Alliance has picked up the arguably 10x worse Void Elves who have went full-steam on ancient evil magic pragmatism despite the entire point of the Belf intro zone being that the Alliance was literally covertly sabotaging them because the Belves were doing this stuff. But the Alliance also still retains the vast majority of High Elves, who loathe the very idea of magics like void and fel.
They have created the ultimate, unresolvable storyline where regardless of how they handle it, 2/3 groups are going to be deeply annoyed about the resolution. Amazing.
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Alleria messing up the Alliance’s Lawful Good plot-ar.or
Darnit, IN WHICH ELF CITY CAN MY OPENLY FEL USING BELF LIVE NOW?
I’d say it’s more of an Illidari thing. They didn’t just sometimes eat fel because there was nothing else, they literally took demons inside. Like the felblood, but worse. And with an imperfect self-control no one wants a walking bomb nearby.
Yet Jaina is accepted. Curious!!!
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Not to diverge from the thread too much, but there’s a distinct difference between Silvermoon and Kael’s expedition. Both were (originally) driven by desperation, but they’re quite stark with how different they were. They’re still conflated.
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Best would be if Night Elves got a small force to aid the Thalassian Elves, both because of how much they lost recently and because… Well… Its not really like they have much of a link anyways, anymore.
Basicly a one-up to the Blood Elves and Nightborne to show the Night Elves do care more about the safety of the world then both of them combined 
Eitherway, its lots of interesting stuff we roleplayers can work with, especially Zandalari, Night Elves and Nightborne! 
Edit:
Also we’ll be getting a new Kaldorei Wolf Mount and Orc Saber mount, it seems?
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From the Zandalari perspective - it’s definitely not the worst case scenario. Confirmations that Nazmir’s mostly prepped for reclaimation, Voldun status and talks of heightened activity from other tribes - The Terrace of Speakers and Tal’gurub.
What’s a pressing concern is all this flavour and little details of worldbuilding amount to “everyone’s friends, and everything is going swimmingly.” Whatever grudge these famously grudgebearing historians of trollkind have from an brazen, blasphemous raid of six years prior has to be swept under the rug, even when it flies in the face of all previous writing on troll culture.
What do you reckon all the speakers of the lower tribes discuss about, if not the constantly racking list of atrocities, incursions and defeats under the elves Quel’thalas and the entirety of the Alliance? There’s no renewal without reconciling the blood-grudge spanning dozens of millenia and a hundred million ailing ghosts.
Acknowledging that friction is of course anti-thetical to the overall worldbuilding goal of Blizzard circa Dragonflight. I just wish they’d realise that one of the appeals of the Zandalari beyond the aesthetic was this intricate and nightmarish caste society, that’s stayed afoot for 15k years on the fortitude of its institutions, doctrines and uniquely divine mandate from the Loa that dwell amongst them.
That precarious social structure loses the intrigue if there’s no tension between castes, or hell, acknowledgement there are castes to begin with; a failing that’s prevalent since BfA, we don’t even know what percentage of the population is casteless. We didn’t know how long of a tradition exile to Vol’dun was either, but it’s absence now leaves us knowing nothing of Zandalari justice.
It’s not full on doomerism worthy, but it still reeks of Blizzard’s stalwart efforts of looking at a culture with conflict and friction as core intrigue, and deciding these are problems to be solved for a more streamlined narrative.(See, the state of the orcs, Gilneans and Forsaken in 2024.)
Luckily/unfortunately, we’ve the power/responsibility to clean up Blizzard’s act and keep the world compelling going forward, though it’s uphill as hell sometimes.
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No one said the Zandalari brought the lesser tribes into the fold only through peaceful negotiations. Tal’Aman, Tal’Farrak and Tal’Gurub all have been regularly reminded about their place, usually through the blades of the Horde’s “champions”. In fact, Rastakhan and Talanji after him completed Zul’s wish of bringing the trollkind to heel. And with nearly every tribe direly needing time to rebuild doing so under the Zandalari will just be easier than alone. It’s a pragmatic approach, even if looking like everyone just wants peace.
It’s the caste system that brought in an outrageous amount of blood cultists in Zuldazar. First and foremost it’s the casteless that can and will do everything to gain any measure of power, even if this time it was the Zanchuli Council that led the traitors. I won’t be surprised if before the Uldir raid the cults dedicated to the loa like Hakkar or even G’huun himself were a routine target for the Rastari to cleanse with fire.
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I am sure the Highmountain will help.
THE RIVER PROVIDES!
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There is also Val’sharah. While I have yet to see a mention of them… Irongrove Retreat sounds like the spot for interracial communication between the Moon Guard, Val’sharan (Druids) and Nightborne of Suramar in any endeavor.
It would also explain the Druidic presence in the Moon Guard nowadays!
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Subsisting entirely on freshly stomped wine. Kids get juice boxes.
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