Dragons are dragons. They at least should be above all this petty power-play, and Kalec seems to at least try. But for Jaina it’s but merging of two human states together, under one banner and Alliance patronage. All willing and peaceful, with no protests except for some Horde-affiliated students, but no one ever cared about those with how few they are.
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The Alliance will welcome the Purple Eye home!
This was all strained from someone’s brown eye…
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Would have been so much more appealing if this Nü Kirin Tor was actually composed of a new cast. Since the class has been expanded to other playable races, this would have been the perfect opportunity to have this decentralized organization to be composed of Tauren, Vulpera, Zandalari, Dark Iron… You could even make it about hoarding knowledge and make it clear these people aren’t all friends but are here for their selfish goals instead of this weird part-military part-academy part(ly) neutral location where everyone is welcome for whatever is the next threat.
This unnamed effect (Sequilatus? Star Warsing?) truly has captured Blizzard, incapable of truly letting go of the established and will milk it for every possible drop, making characters overstay their welcome and falling into infamity while having few or no one new to pick up the torch in the future.
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New cast? You mean… focus on new characters instead of re-hashing the oldschool heroes time and time and time again?
-Laughs in Exile’s Reach crews and Wasted Potential-
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It’s weird that they speak of Dalaran like some sort of inevitable tragedy, almost like Chernobyl, and that they want to avoid it happening again by decentralising the Kirin Tor.
So is the concept of Dalaran as a kingdom in of itself, with a population to boot, just gone then?
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There’s no one to fight for the previous vision, especially if they truly believed in it. The idea that there might even have been someone who wanted to truly make into a real kingdom and not just a city state isn’t even on the table.
This is the new way.
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Blizzard knows that Dalaran is not just 20 mages and a hundred guards right?
Right?
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Atleast Jaina did not hide she still thinks the Kirin Tor’s job is to protect the Alliance… And the world, since she literally states it in her text.
Eitherway, I wouldn’t mind if they use this as a way to get the Kirin Tor back into the Alliance, as it historicaly was, with Blood Elves representing the Horde for them on things regarding magic.
What I would dislike is:
Since I am tired of having all races just abonden there racial heritage just to fit into a human organisation with its customs and culture most likely not fitting together.
I rather they have this new Kirin Tor rebuild on the background(with anyone else but Jaina as leader) and instead focus on the more racial organisations like the Conjurers of Azeroth, the Zandalari Arcanitals, the Shen’dralar, the Magisters and other racial organisations that could be created in the absence of the largest, world governing body, regarding Magic now having faded into the background.
Instead have us see how Orcish Magi interact with the Zandalari Arcanitals or Shen’dralar with the Conjurers of Azeroth or the Magisters, etc etc
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It would have been better if you simply had a dozen groups emerge, each one declaring them to be the TRUE successors of the Kirin Tor and Dalaran. And each one wildly different, from neutral relic collectors, extremist Silver Covenant, to Sunreavers who attempt to do something at the Dalaran crater.
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Jaina leading the Kirin Tor strikes me as bizarre as well. There’s too many conflicting interests - the most obvious being that she is also the leader of Kul Tiras.
I actually suspect that they might have intended to kill off Khadgar but the backlash prevented them from doing so but they compromised by having him be permanently injured and now he is going to retire because they do not know what to do with him.
I just hope we see a Horde counterpart to the Kirin Tor emerge. Though if they’re ditching the faction war, the decision to push the Kirin Tor towards the Alliance is odd to say the least.
I don’t think so. The wheelchair was datamined pretty early on so people were already primed to expect him back (some thought it might be misdirection or a dropped plot idea, turns out it wasn’t), and I very much doubt they’d put together the cinematic with Khadgar getting spat back out so quickly. The time difference between Khadgar’s death being confirmed by cutscene and him coming back is just too short.
I do think Khadgar’s ‘death’ was a bit lame, and his ‘resurrection’ was also done kinda randomly and suddenly. It’s not like Alleria or Anduin were aiming for it. It just kinda…happened. It feels like, to me, they wanted to fridge him for a bit, and they didn’t want “he’s hanging out in Karazhan” to be used again, so they came up with this to kick him out of the narrative for an undetermined amount of time.
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I warned you about the Main Characters bro!!!
I told you dog!
I told you man.
I told you about the Main Characters!
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This is where I pop in with my tinfoil hat and suggest that originally, the 11.0 post-levelling campaign was supposed to span the entire expansion and not be resolved during the initial patch.
That scenario in which we rush through a corrupted version of the Priory of the Sacred Flame? That was probably meant to be 11.2’s raid according to Danuser’s original vision, before Metzen took over and squashed it all into a short campaign.
With this theory in mind, this means that we would have likely gone over a year without seeing Khadgar again and Jaina would have taken control of the Kirin Tor in his absence, as a temporary leader, as she’s the most powerful and relevant mage that we know of.
Unfortunately, it makes a little less sense when Khadgar returns a week after his disappearance, rather than over a year after his disappearance.
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I think we would have seen Rootlands as 11.1 zone and some sort of Titan machine at the core of Azeroth as 11.2 zone, with the story maybe not including Xal’atath at all and being about exploring depths of Azeroth and discovering schemes of the Titans, maybe with Iridikron as the main villain.
How that would influence fate of Dalaran, I don’t know, but I think the city’s destruction would have gone differently to begin with in original expansion. Maybe KT would have had bigger role and Alliance and Horde navies wouldn’t even make an appearance.
Overall, I think what we got with 11.0 is a strange mix of the base zone premises Danuser came up with and Metzen’s vision of the whole saga inserted into them, so trying to untangle what would have happened is borderline impossible.
There are however some bits, such as the bi-weekly quests with Dagran and Brinthe that feel like what might have been expansion-wide deep lore exploration story, being utilized as worldbuilding for Last Titan while TWW moves away from stuff about Azeroth’s purpose and Titan plans for it.
Perhaps Metzen’s quote about the original plan for TWW being good, but not something big enough for 20th anniversary is more true than we think and he repurposed part of what would have been 11.0 for 13.0.
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I mean, we already defeated literally space satan, who was the mastermind behind everything up until now.
Nothing is bigger, or wil be big enough, to topple that, and it wasn’t even a good story, lmao😩
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After the first trailer I thought this was 100% going to be the plot, a grand hollow earth esque adventure.
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I agree with most of this. I’ve got to say that Undermine feels 100% like a Metzen decision, especially with the justification of “well, you can’t have an underground expansion without going to Undermine, can you?”
That feels very much like an old-timer’s stance, whereas I doubt that the same people who devised the Shadowlands and the Dragon Isles would come to the same conclusion.
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I just hope the raid is at least as solid as Nerub’ar Palace.
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