PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 3)

Shadowlands wasn’t all bad, stuff like that was cool.

was it meta? no. was it cool? heck yeah. necrolord’s skeletal mage and night fae’s og shifting power were vibes and a half for a mage.

Archaedas says: With the danger posed by the rogue thraegar, the great Aman’Thul ordered the rebellion to be quelled and the thraegar hunted down until the threat was neutralized.
Archaedas says: However, the issue of earthen malfunction under the influence of the Worldsoul’s energies remained, and so a new solution was devised.
Archaedas says: The earthen of Khaz Algar will relinquish their memories into an Archive to preserve recorded data, and purge the influence of the Worldsoul’s energies.
Archaedas says: By initiating this protocol on a regular cadence, we will ensure the thraegar malfunction does not take hold again.
Archaedas says: To secure compliance, the titans have programmed Edicts into the operational earthen to regulate and enforce their discreet functions and efficiency.
Archaedas says: Thus, the earthen will maintain the integrity of the Coreway and the machines of Khaz Algar. Should the Edicts be broken, more permanent failsafes have been set into place.
Archaedas says: With these difficulties behind them, the titans have declared that the Worldsoul remains, dreaming, safely contained within the Worldcore, where no harm will come to it.
Archaedas says: I do not know why I commit this information to the Archive–why I risk its discovery in the future. Perhaps the Worldsoul’s influence does not extend solely to the earthen.

Dagran Thaurissan II says: What we’ve learned here… It calls the entire history of Azeroth into question. What if… what if our history isn’t what they said it was?
High Speaker Brinthe says: So the keepers stole our memories, and let us believe that it was for our own good? That it was so we could continue to fulfill our purpose–no, not even our purpose!
High Speaker Brinthe says: We built the greatest structures the world has ever seen, and they set us to become… maintenance drones, just… cogs in a machine.
Dagran Thaurissan II says: And it does seem that they did it to keep you complacent… obedient. Following their Edicts–and eliminating those of you they couldn’t control.
High Speaker Brinthe says: Those Edicts… they were bonds of servitude. And we never even knew.
High Speaker Brinthe says: And then when the Sundering happened, we were cut off from all of it–and Archaedas never returned to help us. Why didn’t he return?
High Speaker Brinthe says: Our entire history–our culture–held in that Archive… I want my memories back. I want ALL our memories back. Damn the titans.
Dagran Thaurissan II says: I’m starting to think there’s more to the Worldsoul than the titans wanted us to know. That they had other plans for it-- and Azeroth–than we were led to believe.
Dagran Thaurissan II says: What if all of us–even Archaedas himself–have been deceived?

So if the earthen “malfunction” under the influence of the Worldsoul’s energies and turn into thraegar… shouldn’t all playable earthen be thraegar by that logic since they’re “infused with the essence of Azeroth’s worldsoul”?

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The way I read it, the Worldsoul only made thraegar of the earthen swayed by its (her?) influence. Resetting their memories meant that they weren’t going to get swayed, which meant she no longer saw a reason to empower them into diamond form.

This is all incredibly weird and completely contradicts all previous Titanforged lore so I don’t know what the hell we’re doing here bros.

Why are all Titanforged outside Khaz Algar just totally exempt of this rule and allowed so much free will and free thought they even go to civil wars if this was the case, lmfao.

What does Tyr have to say about this? His lore totally contradicts this, his Tyrsworn waged war and went cross continents with their own agendas.

What are we doing here, Man? Genuinely. There is no benefit to pulling a twist “all we know about all lore ever is actually wrong teehee” here.

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Fel, here we go again.

“Titans bad” :roll_eyes:

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And that yeah.

It seems very contradictory to what we’ve seen from, and about, the Titans, Keepers and Titanforged so far.

I just find the whole trope of higher beings and creator figures secretly (or not so secretly) being evil all along to be so terribly trite and boring.

At best we’ll maybe have one or two Titans side with the ‘good guys’ but that’s still so very predictable.

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Americans don’t have actual religion, they have corporatised economics in the form of various religious symbols. So they have 0x fundamental idea of what Religion actually is and what it represents to different individuals, so theism and divinity are nothing more than forms of economics to be disparaged.

Also it just doesn’t really make sense in the context of Azeroth because what the hell do you mean this entire planet’s lore is wrong. I’ve gave you £5 million of my wallet credits over 20 years, I don’t think it is Blizzard.

I’m being Veilguarded all over again.

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It’s veilguarding time!

I think this is more “the Titans have dubious morals” rather than “the Titans are outright evil”, personally. This, alongside Tyr telling Alexstrasza to steal proto-dragon eggs and infuse with Order against their will, are some interesting developments. They’re only out for themselves, I guess is the way to take it.

Also, wasn’t the Coreway specifically built to study the World Soul? Makes sense to have to force those who attend to such a delicate process into edicts from a Titan POV.

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brinthe realised she really does live in a society…

Someone would have made a good Forsworn… and at least this time she might not be villain-batted for this.

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If they are like the Forsworn, the Earthen will end up siding with Xal’atath and destroy even innocent earthen that just happen to be in the way.

That’s what happened in Shadowlands, the Forsworn had a point… right up until they allied with the Jailer and started murdering everyone who disagreed :stuck_out_tongue:

I completely forgot that the Forsworn were a thing in Shadowlands and assumed you were talking about the Forsworn in Skyrim…

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it does feel like the expected blizzard formula at this point. group brings up valid point about flaws in an archaic imposed system, group decides murder and siding with -insert x force of chaos- is the good play. Forsworn, Primalists… we’ve already had some earthen willingly side with Xal’atath while levelling.

“Bastion belongs to the Reach.”

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I did find it hilarious how the villain there was introduced to us though.

Man comes rolling in on a huge af throne needing multiple rails
Refuses to elaborate
Leaves

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Yeah I honestly had to respect that hustle. He came in to establish his drip and status and have his errand boys cart him off. like that is just peak OTT villainy

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Okay I was wrong, it took only one rail. But it still looked dope af.

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