I can’t fathom what it must be to be an average guildless pug.
This is my DH alt ilvl 470 4P by now, I already killed first 7 heroic last week and trying to pug smolderon and despite my tooltip clearly showing that im 7/9HC with my main being 9/9HC no one invites me.
I even tryied linking my aotc and cutting edge from previous tiers but I just promptly get ignored. As if they were only taking 481 ilvl mains 9/9HC 6/9M current tier lol.
I can’t imagine just how horrible it must be to pug something if you have only one char.
You look like someone who knows how to raid, stop expecting everything from other people, stop expecting acceptance, form your group and invite everyone who applies to your group.
it really is horrible and there’s a new thread like this every week here but blizz just ignores us & forum users usually just try to gaslight people into thinking they’re the problem.
this is an obvious solution but not everyone has to form a group everytime they want to do a damnt thing in the game, maybe they don’t know how to lead, have anxiety etc. or maybe they just want to play . this is just avoiding the problem not fixing it. blizzard needs to focus on this issue before it gets any bigger.
No proposal of a supposed fix for this that I’ve actually heard is actually viable. What do you expect Blizzard to do about it? Do an LFR queue for normal and heroic raids? I mean, given how dumbed down they had to make the raidfinder raids in the first place, how far is that going to get you? Those who want to avoid that experience will continue to make their own group and invite who they want by whatever criteria, arbitrary or otherwise, they see fit.
Seriously, if you come up with a solution that works then let’s hear it, or rather tell Blizzard it, I’m sure they’d really like to know what it is.
at the very least they can start designing mechanics that are more focused on personal responsibility rather than like a raidwide soak. they can focus on designing the game for pugs instead of waiting for weeks for rwf to end so they can tune the dungeons & classes. they can give people better accountwide progress so if a player doesn’t like a class or can’t play it they can easily switch to an alt. blizz can enhance the LFG tool , give suggestions with ai for example to lead to form a better group like ‘‘this group doesn’t have that buff’’ etc. type of small tips so groups can fail less. if groups fail less then people will start giving chance to other players who are trying to progress instead of looking for overgeared ones.
for pug experience to be better the game design should prioritize the pug experience instead of a small percentage . i shouldn’t be losing my chance to kill fyrakk because a rando decided to put their pool near the roots . also, if we can’t get invites with enough gear & progress then sorry but ban all these addons. if %90 of the key require you to do the same key before then what’s the point of having these addons ? people want others to be better than key level because of how bad the tuning is & the design is. everyone is trying to do overgeared dungeons and we can’t blame them all the time we need to start asking questions like why murozond timing is so tight and unforgiving .
before i get 100000s quotes with parts of this text ;
-numbers are random here
-idc if you have a smooth pug experience, good for you cheers but we don’t have that
-yes you’re a good player i’m bad let’s move on
The root of a bad pugging experience is still the fact that there’s too many DPS. As a healer/tank you get instant invites to keys you’d get 100% rejected from as DPS.
I also wipe in pug raids and sometimes brick keys, but 3 minutes later I’m in another group.
This is what OP needs to understand too. He’s not being rejected because people are elitist. There’s just a bazillion DPS queued for everything and half of them have better gear and achievements than he does.
Everytime you think that you are worthy candidate always appears asian someone else who have better achievements, 1ilvl higher than you, have better parses, or simply considered more meta.
Pugging is always a harder experience than being in an organised group like a guild or a community. There are usually all types of pug but it takes longer to clear, people come and go, or are removed, they have to be replaced etc. Some pugs just want a fast quick clear with high geared experienced players, you see this in all content to a certain extent.
There is always the dreaded option of running your own pug, I know it doesn’t appeal to everyone. Does your guild do any alt runs or maybe you could find a community to go with in the mean time?
If you raid regularly, you know it isn’t personal. Any group running Smolderon is going to be flooded with DHs wanting to kill it for the exact same reason you do. They can’t take all of them.
u all are well known HYPOCRITS, If u List a HC Raid or A key U ALL TAKE THE META or HIGHLY OVERGEARED HIGH RIO Players. so dont be a … Hypocrit u all are simple
Accept reality buddy. You CANNOT expect to get a 1:1 experience pugging stuff vs. doing it in organized guild. You CANT.
So. If for whatever reason the universe does not allow you to join a Guild, not even a casual one that raids heroic only, then you have to accept the benefits/drawbacks of Pugging.
So:
A) You can either Join a Guild with a GUARANTEED spot and GUARANTEED clear of the raid, in exchange for some commitments (which vary from guild to guild).
B) Or. NOT. You cant agree to those commitments, so you DONT have a guaranteed spot in a raid, and you DONT have a guaranteed clear every week.
Simple as that. But you cant have both.
And dont get me wrong here: I am in no way suggesting “join a guild”. I fully agree that some people just cannot commit to whatever the guilds are asking. I am one of those:
My guild raids from 9pm to 11pm. Recent changes in my life have not allowed me to participate at those hours. So I don’t. And as a result, I have not cleared ALL the raid yet, and I don’t manage to clear the raid every week.
I join some groups here and there for specific boses, but not much.
And that is OK. Its a choice I made. I could PuG, I could move to another guild with a better schedule. But I did not. My choice. My consequences. Simple.
There’s one simple trick to avoid getting declined. I’ve always played mage but this time around I felt like tanking keys to obtain all portals. I started playing wow again like 4 days ago and I’m missing only 1 portal. Yeah, sure, I get declined every now and then but I wanna say I get into 80%+ of the groups immediately.
