What would you choose and why.
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#PullMyFinger
#LetOneRip
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I would choose to #pulltheripcord because another expansion with borrowed power is just becoming not fun and people WILL be excluded from content of they choose the wrong Covenant.
I know you see people saying it wonât happen but look at BfA and RIO if you just returned to the game and wanted to explore Mythis plus but all your friends quit due to one reason or another youâve got absolutely no chance bub.
Covenant abilities adds another criteria you must meet in order to join most groups so you are not playing the way you want to play you will have to play the way everyone else wants you to play.
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If Blizzard themselves developed a contingency plan then it just goes to show their lack of confidence in the system, which is highly concerning when you realise the same developers were highly confident with
Corruption
Legendaries in Legion
Cloak farm
AP Farm
Azerite gear
Islands
and so forth. I donât believe itâs that Blizzard has learned, I think itâs that even the devs behind the scenes internally raised concerns.
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Remove all the covenant abilities, soulbinds and conduits stuff, leave the covenants a permanent choice.
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Hard to say either way. I like the notion of âsomething differentâ and not another loadout, however seeing how significant covs can be (itâs all about the binds and conduits) Iâm not particularly keen on having a lack of flexibility in that regard because itâs limiting the way I choose to play my class by trying to make me commit to 3 playstyles with my binds.
This has little to do with the covenant swapping however, and more to do with the fact that your bind allocations and conduits are not spec specific, but shared across all specs, which I donât think is a good idea.
Pull it hard.
I donât want to gimp my raid because I chose a covenant for aesthetics. I also donât want a covenant I canât stand to look at and have to work with every day for 2 years because I chose for power. I also donât want to be worse in m+ because I optimised for raids. Same statement regarding specs. Whatâs the point of easy re speccing if Iâm worse than all others when I do?
The current choice is horrible.
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Are you from the future?
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No but look at other âchoiceâ based systems from the past History is doomed to repeat itself especially with this community.
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What other choice systems do you mean?
Talents are an illusion of choice, picking the wrong one can get you excluded except currently talents are easily swapped, think how it will be with Covenant abilities or the Covenant in general.
Noone ever asked why i use x or y stuff (not even corruption).
There are min-max groups surely, but they are minority. Some cases they even exclude classes, with or without any âborrowedâ power at all.
But most of the groups are dont care about this, and take anyone who is signed up.
So doomspeaking âif you dont pick x or y, you will never see z contentâ, is total bullcrap.
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This simply isnât true. The only way it acts as a discriminating factor is where it affects your performance, and players have always discriminated on performance.
But I have never seen players in groupfinder police what talents people need to have before they join. Most people just assume other players are making sensible decisions with their talents, and if they perform well, they give it no more thought.
It seems like half the people in PuG groups donât even know what talents classes beyond their own have half the time, or even core abilities in some cases, so I donât think the âexlcuding for talentsâ is really a massive thing outside of top-end stuff.
I have never encountered any policing of talents, essences or spec etc in my time in mythic+ up to the weekly chest level on all of my classes. I;'ve occasionally had questions about âwhy not BM?â on my hunter but itâs never led to a situation of me being kicked from the group because iâve made MM work and pulled my weight.
Ok, lets wait and see then.
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Sure, we will see.
Pull it, I wanna actually use all four without spending ages trying to regain favor with each covenant.
Doesnât even make any sense in the lore either, to be punished for choosing a covenant. Youâre the Maw-Walker, who has helped all four of the covenants previously, why should others turn hostile against you just because you picked 1 out of 4, lol.
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pulltheripcord is realistically the only viable option, as mentioned through bellulars video its the safe option in the least.
currently being unable to swap abilities is terrible, its removing the ability for people to have the chance to play with other abilities in torghast to have some fun,
the people that want to not pulltheripcord wouldnt actually be affected by it if it is pulled as they can still pick the spell they want and stick with it,
its the only way to make the game properly playabale for everyone
i myself would love to go venthyr, its the story that i like the look of they have certain characters involved that i like and they have the best transmog from what i have seen, i really like the headstone back piece thing, and yet i dont have that choice because as a warlock i have to go necrolord because its too strong.
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I donât pvp, raid, m+ or do much by way of group content so this whole covenant thing wonât impact me much. But I can see how it will impact others so I think covenants should be purely lore, esthetics and have no impact on player power.
I will do Kyrians on my Paladin as that fits lorewise. I will do the Necrolords on my DK for the same reason. Iâll do Night Fae on this shaman mostly as itâs the odd one out and I donât have a max level druid (yet, my KT is nearly 80 and with new fast levelling will be max soon enough).
I donât really know what the powers are but donât particularly care, Iâm not picking a covenant for the power.
Everyone should really be choosing a covenant because it fits the class fantasy (where did that go since Legion?).
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Keep the basic design and just tweak it. Most of the player power comes from soulbinds, and the majority there is generic and not covenant specific.
The covenant abilities are still being worked on and last build âThe Huntâ for DH completely changed for example.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of having a meaningful choice.
Removed the borrowed power element from them completely. Let us learn the abilities whilst levelling up (which we currently get to âtestâ them) and add a talent row(s). The soulbinds should be completely flexible for all as we are heroes of all 4 covenants after-all. We would still have to pick which one(s) we wanted as they currently take 12 weeks to fully unlock so âmeaningful choiceâ is there