Pull the Ripcord / Don't pull the Ripcord in SL

Well… without a stupid grind, i’d have switched my Thorgast farming with different covenants abilities/soulbinds on different runs one after another.
Since the powers there get buffs for the covenant abilities. It’d have been more varied in flavor.
Also some soulbinds have movement speed bonuses, which would help for fast clears, some benefit from killing mobs fast and stacking increases.

P.S. I wish they would have stuck with the infinite climb thing they announced, was curious to see how far i could go… maybe they can add that in one of the big patches after, would be cool.

Yeah. I’m gutted about that as well as Torghast is “the feature” of the expo for me. I loved horrific visions before they were “on farm” so the notion of single player content that changes that I can’t ever outscale was highly appetising to me.

This is part of my opposition to the locks within the covenants themselves. Ideally I’d want to have one working dungeon soulbind for each of my specs, and then perhaps a couple of different torghast builds for each too. Sadly it looks like I’m stuck with “one soulbind one spec” and not even being able to test stuff like running a potency soulbind tree for brew over an endurance one and so on, without major inconvieniences…which I hate. I love experimenting within my class and my specs…so despite the fact I’ve questioned the basis of some arguments here, overall I’m probably less supportive of the model than I appear for reasons like this …because ultimately it’s less fun and that’s what should matter.

To heck with meta, but let me mess around with crap funny setups as well as having working builds!

I mean guys, guys…

I am 100% sure that there will be nerfs and buffs so don’t rush it.

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That’s 100% sure and is exactly the reason I’m not really scared about choosing the “wrong” covenant.

My advice is to pick (if interested in performing) primarily on soulbinds and how you’d allocate conduits. Unless the active ability is a game changer “changes my rotation” deal like decimating Bolt or Echoing Reprimand.

It’s less likely they’ll swap power in binds given that may knock on every other class and spec, if stuff gets fiddled with it will be the class skills as they can morph them based on spec only, so there’s less moving parts. So if you’re unsure between roughly equal options, check the binds.

Don’t pull the ripcord, for two main reasons :

1 : It gives more value to the choice you make. If I have to make a long term decision, i’ll pay more attention to what i’m doing, balance the pro & cons and then make my choice based on what i like the most.
This is far more interesting imo than having access to everything on a whim : You no longer think and plan, you just roll with it and cherry pick whatever covenant is the most optimised for the situation.
When you have to make a decision, “pick everything” shouldn’t be one of the options.

Note that it only works if there’s no overall good or bad solutions, only options which are better in certain situations.
If you are severely weakened by your covenant choice then that’s a balance issue which should be solved, but it doesn’t mean that the covenant choice is inherently wrong : It’s just blizzard being blizzard and failing to properly balance their game.

2 : It will only solve a part of the issue and we’ll still be in the same mess :
There’s more to covenant than being able to cherry pick the ability you like on the spot. Even if you were to get Blizz to pull the ripcord, then what ? You’ll be able to cherry pick the ability, but the dungeon buffs and the soulbinds will still be a thing. The covenant specific conduits will also influence how you perform and you’ll still have to unlock your renown for each covenant.

Let’s say you get to freely swap on a whim and want to go to a m+ dungeon. Do you pick the covenant A for its ability, covenant B for its dungeon buff, covenant C for its soulbind or covenant D for its tmog and theme ? I’m sure there’s some lucky specs which get to have everything from one covenant (uh with fae iirc ?) but in most cases that’s an issue you would’ve with or without the ability to swap.

You may not have to grind anymore to swap them, but overall it’s still the same mess : They’ll still be unbalanced and while in some situations it may be all nice and perfect with one covenant to rule them all, in others we’re back to the original issue of not being able to play the way you want.

Because yes, Blizz mentioned the possibility of removing any requirement to swap covenants, but that’s about it.

The soulbind and renown will still be a thing, the covenant conduits will still be there to make the abilities more powerful and it does not seem like people understand what they meant by pulling the cord or whatever expression they used back then.

Afaik it has never been about removing player power from covenants, far from it.

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Pull because 1-2 weeks after the raid opens they will do tuning and that will very likely affect class abilities and breaking alot of crap for people who will then swap to the other BIS only to swap back later when blizzard inevitably change stuff again.

Everyone knows they cannot balance things even remotely close so just pull the ripcord before the expansion and allow us to swap the class abilities like talents while keeping the covenant base abilities like owl bro, flesh shield, soulshape and teleport locked to the covenants.

thats because the abilities are designed exactly the same as talents, to the point that some of them are literally just talents from other classes that have been brought back and given to something else,

like mage having a covenant ability is exactly the same as an old warlock talent

functions exactly the same, thats why people are correctly realising that they are designed the same as talents.

buff and nerfs make it worse though, because if you change becuase of a nerf and then they buff and you have to swap back it just leads to people having to arbitrarily waste their time because the design is stupid and broken,

making them into a talent row would solve all of the issues, simple as that

I am sorry guys, but i legit feel like for some of you this is the first time.

We had the same convo when WoD ended. and when Legion did. We always make it out to be that the end is coming, yet this is never the case.

Sure not all of you will get cutting edge, glads and so on. But if you think edge people give a damn about the forum and the woes it experiences…

the fact that they are always on twitter and on streams/youtube videos complaining about the same issues then yeah i think they are, the whole #pulltheripcord was started by THDlock who raids in limit, literally the world first guild.

Fair enough, however those people are not here in the forum with us.

well yeah… they have a platform that allows them to voice their opinions elsewhere,

some of them have their own contacts at blizz so that they can guarantee that blizz knows of any issues they see, and yet blizz stil ignores it

Don’t know BfA feels like long end in agony… :crazy_face:

I would list why I feel it, but I am sure we lot have debated that many times. I think people have become more and more cautious by now.

Meh, here I am now, come at me new challenger.

I do not feel pity for Community leaders if they are unhappy, i do not cry tears for keyboard warriors, if SL entertains me and my friends it is good enough. If not… I am not married to WoW.

I would leave it as it is, as i think the RPG part of the game is mostly ignored when it comes to class and system design. I’d rather have Blizzard design content in a way that constantly changing stuff for high end content isn’t required. Either way i couldn’t care less about people who really choose to play this way. Most players will never do content that requires these kind of things. How the 1% and meta fetish bois figure it out, cry about it and deal with it is something i really couldn’t care less about.

but thats not what this is all about, having the abilitiy to use the other abilities for fun runs in places like torghast is terrible, i would love to be able to just use them for fun but im being told im not allowed to.

the problem here is that it doesnt really work that well as an RPG element, the covenants are written terribly generally. you are the hero for all 4 covenants and the maw walker regardless of your choice, they are still expecting you to show up and defend you all the time, and yet if you walk into an specific area within the zone then all of a sudden you are hated by them and you mean nothing, but then 5 minutes later they are still expecting you to help them and be the hero

the whole idea of an important decision isnt working out as well, because some of the abilities are way too strong, meaning that even if you want to pick a specific one like i do with venthyr, i cant because i am stuck with necrolord as a warlock with it being too long, or as a DK i want to go necrolord as it will make sense, but the night fae thing is too strong so i have to pick that.

I’m gonna ask this once…
dafuq is the ripcord?!

the thing that opens the parachute

Ok let me rephrase.
Dafuq is the ripcord supposed to represent in WoW?

It was a phrase used by Ion in his interview with preach. Means allowing changing covenants skills at will. The idea being that if they can’t balance the skills, it will prevent total disaster.

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