You definitely can use it, never said you couldnt. However it makes you look like a joke when you decide to hide behind a low level alt.
On top of that, you have been proven wrong and you are dancing around that fact.
To be fair, itâs impossible to be proven right or wrong about whether something in a game is âtime wastedâ if you had fun, it wasnât time wasted.
If you hated it, it was time wasted.
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Tbf doesnt that kinda mean it can be proven? If i had fun, it wasnt a waste of time. Meaning OP got proven wrong.
All Dungeons at +11
2680 Rating
Top 4.50%
How the hell someone with ONE 11 can be there ?
Your mistake is calculating all timed 11âs. And not taking people who do not have all 11âs timed. Those people also run higher than 10âs. It isnât really rocket science.
Well the OPs statement was âPushing higher than 10s is time wastedâ which is impossible to prove,
If run 2 11s, one is amazing and I feel great, and the other makes me log off in disgust at how badly it went, then one 11 was a waste of time, and one wasnât
So since I donât keep a record of every key I run and how much fun I had in them, I canât prove whether or not it was time wasted.
I guess thats where it differs then. I dont pug and never feel like that after a key with my group, no matter how much of a crapshow it was. I play for fun with my friends and thats what matters to me.
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I have never run any +11s, it was entirely hypothetical to demonstrate that itâs hard to prove a point that is in fact unique to each person, and arguably, each run.
I rarely pug and have never had a âlog off in disgustâ moment, but the point is that this entire thread is subjective.
Some people might only be interested in gear, in which case to them above +10 might be a waste of time, but for me, I donât care what Iâm running, if the group is happy and Iâm happy, then it wasnât waste of time.
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A bit of an off-topic but I think finding and working in a job you actually like and love is one of lifeâs blessings in my personal view. Instead of doing something you hate but you have to because you need to put food on table and keep your home from being taken away by the bank and etcâŚ
Ofc within reason: if you slave away 24/7 without vacations,weekends or even bare minimum rest then even the most fanatical workaholic will break down eventually.
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Any player going above the point where there are extrinsic rewards for success is likely playing for the intrinsic enjoyment of play and success.
From that perspective they are the only players for whom it makes sense to play M+, because they actually enjoy the activity intrinsically.
This contrasts with (I believe at least a substantial minority) of M+ players who are playing for extrinsic rewards but do not actually enjoy the play experience of M+. That is the play that makes no sense.
Having a job is an interesting one, even if you hate your job, you probably like the fact it provides at minimum, food and shelter, perhaps other niceties on top of that.
I would consider the person who hates their job is analogous to the running the minimum of 8 keys because they have a gear incentive, as in this case the gear, not the time spent, is the incentive.
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Thatâs what was so weird to me. It was boring jobs and some of the people had terrible work ethic. I sometimes had to âhelp themâ and it was so boring. Some even had significant travel distances. Yet they still chose to do it over everything else.
It wasnât even rewarding. Itâs not like we were living legends face tanking infernos and saving babies from burning buildings.
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Remove RIO-scores and Leaderboards and you will be totally right.
Why?
Just take a simple look at how people treat Delves?
Do you see a lot of people do delves above level 8 except for the first time for the achievement? Of course not, because:
1: There is no extra reward for doing it.
2: There is no Delves Score or leaderboards for people to compete (E-peen)
3: The enemies do more damage and take more time to be killed. (Takes too long for no reason)
4: Takes more time to find people that are interested in doing it in the first place, especially if you queue with randoms.
If Blizzard added leaderboards and/or delves scores tomorrow, you would start having dozens of listings like this:
Delves +11 - ONLY RIO SCORE 3000+ 8/8Mythic people!
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Why would anyone try to prove you wrong. It looks like youâre not mature enough to be sure in your own opinion and youâre trying to outsource some sort of stupid validation.
If youâre so bored go read a book and maybe youâll learn how to spell prove 
âproofâ is a noun that means âevidenceâ, and âproveâ is a verb that means "demonstrate
I mean it would help you to read
k thx bye
When making an assertion the burden of proof is on the maker of the statement to provide backing for it, not for others to prove otherwise.
People have shared why they disagree with your assertion, take the information and accept it, or provide evidence to back up your statement.
Playing WoW makes no sense and you waste your Time.
Posting on forums makes no sense and you waste your Time.
Living makes no sense and you waste your Time. But some people find it fun! Same about high M+, I guessâŚ
pugging is hard, mages dont dispell curses, tanks not using full CC., same with dps. its the pain in the âŚ
OP has a point.