I’m after your guys input purely on a PvE M+ and raiding
So as well all know on both US and EU forums loads of us are crying out for change for Elemental I’ve even posted about it a few times.
I’ve played wow since TBC but missing Legion and main a Ele Shaman for since Wotlk and feel like I’m a above average player but no pro, I also feel I had no problems in other expansions.
So checking online Dps rankings for both I’m either really bad and there’s something I’m missing about the spec, as on these ranking we seem to be sitting roughly mid M+ but I cant keep up with my dps.
My friends I run M+ with are MM Hunter and a Feral druid both should be below me on these rankings but are leaving me for dust damage wise.
Same general thing for raiding but i cant be 100% on this as I’m not full geared yet for raid ( 2 sets of gear needed).
Even though all the Dps rankings are all a little different I hoping everyone’s going to say they are massive incorrect and I’m not the problem and there wouldn’t be all these posts about the state of Elemental.
But I’m starting to believe its me because the best high score raiderio are matching other classes also be it the pros or not.
Thanks for your time sorry for the badly worded post
M+ are purely random.there are too many things that effects our dps.sometimes you can see +80k overall next one +50k.specially if you are playing wildfire build.
Tank has to know that he has ele shaman in his group so if possible he shouldnt move mobs.
Has to pull big groups because ele shamans cant cleave, they are doing much better with +4 targets.
Also dungeons are very different for us, you will see better dps on algethar or in nokhud defensive but poor dps on most others.
And im %100 sure feral druids can make better dps than ele shamans because of their aoe is amazing.you cant do less dps than feral druid if its Single target.but in aoe situations you will see huge difference.also most dungeons are melee friendly not ranged.add affixes to this condition.its pretty normal you doing less than him.
And no we are not in Mid tier when its comes to ranking.i would say one of the worst one.dont mind to logs as most of them are playing premade and boosting their shamans(let him do dps while they are doing the mechanics like thundering affix etc.)
For raid I cannot give much help, other than check for every boss the top logs to see what they are doing and what you can improve.
For m+ petko has some videos explaining most of the stuff you need to know for keys. I imagine that also checking some of his keys (playstyle), you will find many things to improve.
Raids ST is fine. I find myself in too 5 easily there, but as soon as adds show up we tumble down the list. Our cleave is horrid in raids, and with mythic raids having extra adds everywhere, we’re really taking a dip into the useless jar.
M+ can be either way, but it’s also a rather difficult and rng based play style. Heavily depending on flameshock spread which…at this point shouldn’t even have a cool-down, because without magma totem it’s nears impossible to come out in top.
And of course the stat difference between raid and mythic gear (crit vs mastery) is such a drag.
Blizz doesnt care about Ele since Enha is doing ok. We need a complete rework like ret paladins got
Theres so many issues with ele, no cleave… Different stats from m+ to raiding, HUGE ramping time on AoE …
As someone else said, we just decent in academy and NO
The rest is just frustration
ST - Ok, not amazing but not the worst.
Cleave - Before you set up your rotation, melee already bursted everything dead.
AoE - Absolute micromanaging nightmare with the flameshocks and don’t get me started on Earthquake which is easily the worst feeling ability in the game - if you even manage to land it properly that is and it doesn’t get clipped over literally any in-game object wasting your gcd and your resources.
Yeah three expansions ago lol and things changed so much ever since its absolutely garbage now
Is like asking for your boss for a raise because inflation and he tells you no because you got one raise 7 years ago
You are aware Ret paladin has waited from Legion to this day to get the rework right?
So ret have had to wait all this time to get what you think you should get because ret got it
The point is that you are asking for something that is not going to happen.
Saying because ret got a rework elemental should get one is just wrong headed by you.
Best chance for a rework for you is next expansion.
It’s not about WHEN we got a rework it’s about is it needed or not. Some classes didnt get any rework for longer than ret and wont get one because they’re totally fine as is …
The earliest real potential is next expansion.
Reworks in the middle of an expansion is rare and has not happened to many classes Shaman is one of those classes that have had it happen already.
It is not normal for blizzard to give reworks to classes without there being a long term situation going on.
Except Ret just got a mid-expac rework cos it needed it.
Ele also needs a rework. Hell, ele WAS reworked for BFA in beta… and then that got cancelled, cos they screwed it up. We were told 'don’t worry, you’ll get your rework in 8.1. We didn’t; they stuck a big buff on our ST damage and told us ‘don’t worry, you’ll get a proper rework for SL’.
We didn’t. Again, we got a big ST buff halfway through the expac when Blizz noticed that ele scales like crap (cos of the ancient design of LvB), and told ‘don’t worry, you’ll get a proper rework for the next expansion’…
Ele has needed proper reworking for a long time. It has effectively no cleave; AOE is uncompetitive on <6 targets and is mostly static with a relatively long ramp. The entire class design is very stale and outdated and the talent tree is honestly a mess - it’s bottom-heavy, it doesn’t really allow for any aoe/st hybridization, and it’s bloated with low-impact 2-pointer talents, many of which should honestly just be baseline (basically the entire second-to-last line are all 2 pointers of very little impact).
Just like Ret, this is a long-term situation which has been in need of addressing for several expansions now, and has been repeatedly papered over with overblown buffs to base spells that don’t really fix any of the underlying issues.
