They can balance for both PvE and PvP. Question is, are they willing to disable talent points or make an entire new talent tree just for PvP?
Since the balance is just not the dmg/healing. Its mobility/cc and everything else.
Exactly , The whole PVE will be ruined arguments is kind of mute.
When was the last time you needed mortal strike in PVE . Allowing a mob to heal already is a loss .
Who needs 1 million self heals , rewind time and defensive in PVE . Most of the average players donât even have them macroed , because they have a healer and because you are not supposed to stand in bad stuff . Self healing is a loss of dps .
When was the last time you saw someone spam sheep like cc , aoe fears or roots ?
What do you use your deathgrip / charge every 10 seconds / 10000 slows on in PVE ? You are already on top of the mob and it is not gonna decide to run away .And if it does you just aoe stun it .
Heck most people dont even use single target stuns , because kidney shot / stormbolt will waste combo points and a global cooldown that you could use on dps .
And most of all , most bosses are immune to 90% of the above .
The above are solely added for PVP perspective , and maybe leveling/questing . Even those that are useful for questing/leveling , could easily be given huge cooldowns , that get reset when you kill someone , like victory rush works .
Considering you jumped over one part ill just add this.
You seem to believe PvE is so scripted you can avoid all kinds of dmg at all times.
I did not jump over anything , but you seem to have jumped over everything I said .
What mobility and cc you need in PVE ?
You need aoe stun on packs and interrupt .
You do not need a 1000 charges /felrush or whatever that keeps you glued to mages every 5 seconds. You need a sprint to run between packs . Maybe you need blink or heroic leap to get out of void zones once every minute .
Warlocks have burning rush for that . When was the last time you saw warlock use it in PvP ?
Have you tried tanking when someone runs frost mage ? Every time the guy freezes accidently some mob and you move 2 yards the mob kills someone else nearby .
Hunter going with explosive trap ? Yea that is fun .
How many times have you seen mages do alter time in a dungeon ? The chances are you are gonna pop up in a swirly left by someone and die .
When was the last time you saw an elemental shaman stop doing dps to heal a party member ?
Most of the over bloated pvp kit is not used in PVE and those that are used could easily be wired to reset after enemy dies . Those that canât can be separately tuned ( like for instance passive healing from damage)
do u know that mechanic was changed in bfa or legion kekw
mobs no longer attack the closest target when rooted
You quoted the first part I wrote, and then someone answering me, but forgot to actually put in the other part I wrote aswell. So it was incomplete statement.
Any CC is good CC if its needed even in m+.
Mobility is always good to get out of things you otherwise cannot with normal movement speed.
You can use single target stuns if needed aswell and other forms of CC to aoe disorient or more.
Atleast you dont play PvE.
More mobility means easier to avoid.
So?
Your mage is in melee? Damn.
You get different things when you have talent tree for both in one. You wont use some parts for PvE and you wont use some parts for PvP.
How many times have you played m+ this expansion? Or played mage?
A good mage can use alter to prevent dmg. As they can also do in PvP.
So?
You are basically asking for them to make 2 different trees and cut everything specs dont need for either of them.
Apparently remove mobility, selfheal, defensives and some CC for PvE and remove what for PvP?
I am not saying you need two trees . You are the one saying that multiple times now .
Have you even read the title of the thread and the first post ?
I am saying you donât need everything on every character . Especially you do not need doubles or triples of the same thing on the same character .
Is it good to have a 3 hammers , 2 screwdrivers , 100 liters gasoline , a reserve pack of food , 2 chainsaws and a 3 guns with you because you âmightâ need them and when you need them they âmightâ brake ? Probably .
But that is overdoing it isnât it ?
What I am saying is you do not need all this over bloat and you can easily play without it . Heck most players do so .
Further more there was the argument back in the day that you need everything because it took too long to level . What is the argument now ?
You can easily level every class in two evenings and try different play styles , but that does not matter because every class is the same and is boring .
What is the difference between fury war and havoc dh ?
Both have :
Dual wield
heal from damage
mortal strike
aoe stun
unlimited charges
magic damage
grow big during their cooldowns
rely on bursting people down
most of their attackâs are cleave
One has wings and uses green stuff and the other roars and uses red stuff ? Thatâs the difference
For DPS you have 2 architypes .
The mele
and
The range
And they all do the same with the same tools in the same burst playstyle , with different colors .
And it is boring .
So many classes , twice as many dps specs and they are all just 2 types of the same boring . But I get it , you like everything on one char . Guess everyone has their preferences .
I guess you either dont understand what im talking about or just dont care.
You quoted me.
Then tell me from each class on what should be removed from both PvE and PvP in its current form.
Give some information on what you would make to even make them ânot boringâ for everyone. Details.
Ngl, this was extremely cringe to read.
Which means they need to make quite a huge change not only for every single spec, but also m+, raids and more. Make casters actually cast, warlocks not having teleport or gate etc etc etc. Then we might be back to Classic.
I dont even remember that argument even while ive lvled in every single expansion.
If you feel the game is boring because of how the classes are currently, you can always wait until next expansion and hope something has changed which you might enjoy.
Some people will dislike the gameplay, some ppl like the gameplay. Who decides whats the best?
I tend to play alts and test things around. If I dont enjoy something I dont play it. Theres alot of other games out there if this is boring for you. 
Speaking to some people with thousands of posts is like waging an ego crusade . It is not a point of whether you are right or wrong or even on topic . The point is to post stuff the last . I am responding to you one last time so feel free to post again after .
You maintain that every class needs everything x 3 because you cannot complete mythic + and raids ;
and at the same time you say that : "Well there are PvP and PvE talents , so you do not always take them . " Well no duh . You do not take 3 x frost nova , explosive trap and buffs to your gap closes . So why are they there ? You donât need them for PVE , but you take them for PvP . What is bloated here ?
And most hilarious is that you do not even answer the thesis I maintain . That every class feels the same .
Some like the game style and some do not ? Yea thank you for saying the obvious . Than why do we have 10 different classes that play the same way ? Are you trying to say it is okay for every class to play the same , because you like the same play style ?
Try Alts ? Good for you . I have alts as well and that is why I am saying everything feels the same .
As to who decides what is boring and that I should leave ? Well thatâs what 8 millions players did since wrath . Keep at it and you will be the only one playing .
You quoted something but didnt finish it. Then its apparently me having an ego
Im not saying every class needs everything x3. Thats you trying to force that on me.
Can you tell me where I said every class/spec needs 3 defensives, 3 mobility, 3 selfheals, 3 ccs etc etc?
You do not seem to understand the reason why its bloated (the talent tree) is because they try to please both PvE and PvP under the same talent tree. You not understanding the very reason why I said âthere might need to be 2 different treesâ based on what makes PvE players and PvP players happy is quite funny.
I dont feel every class is the same. But I also dont just look at what one mobility do and connect it to be the same as every mobility in the game.
I also dont connect every defensive to be the same.
Every dmg ability to be the same.
Everything to be the same, but I guess I have an ego for not following your egoistic approach.
Im so sorry for not being the kind of person who looks at things so easily as you do and get bored. Im so sorry that I have some kind of ego that prevents me from looking at every spec and see they are all the same.
You seem to believe the game should follow the directions that you want it to go.
And can you tell all those people to come here and say that the very reason they left, is all based on everything being the same gameplay? Or could it be other reasons why people leave? 
You decided that its boring. Do you play out of nostalgia? Or are you even playing at all atm?
I get bored every now and then and take breaks and come back later. Thats normal.
But I also dont have the ego to force people to believe what I believe the game is. If you enjoy it, you enjoy it. If you dont, you dont.
I am playing ele, resto, MM, survival, dabbed in arcane, fire, balance, ww and mw.
Nothing feels simillar to play with the exception of ele and balance, which were always kind of sister specs from their respective classess.
Are we at the stage of demanding pruning yet again? Because I am enjoying the utilities and many different tools the classes have.
people who plays higher end content in pve what kind of argument is that lmao
Often cuz its needed in a lot of m+ scenarios, not sheep but generally all other type of CC
Again you dont know m+ at all you grip, slow and charge fairly often not as much charge anymore because u dont really have any down time as fury atm
Not true u havent done any high rating stuff only people there that doesnt use it is bad players
Your point is?
Its not thats the dumbest thing i have read in a while please go do some 25s and tell me if people cc stop doing +2s and basing ur opionion around that
okay grandpa check ur meds they might be feeding u some delulu pills
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