bubble gets nerfed into wotlk version whilst hardiness and wotf still are classic versions instead of wotlk.
yes sure, eat your own words and
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I wont disable anything and ruin the fun. They should buff the classes that are underperforming.
Its nice that im not the only one with a 5% winrate on a wednesday haha
should have happened in phase 1 btw.
count your lucky stars this ridiculousness was allowed to go on as long as it did.
and now you guys want undispellable seals too.
hell, you wanted undispellable seals before this nerf.
in other words; nothing new over the horizon, just the same old paladin andy posting.
you’re honestly unbelievable.
bubble wasnt OP at all in p1, infact you couldn’t even use it. dummy.
because its fair lmfao, it’s quitefrankly not as gamebreaking compared to the entirety of your toolkit on shaman or the high amounts of hybrid stats.
in other words; just a potatoclown posting and coping about “OP” paladins and how weak shamans are.
basically horde and shamans, got it.
you could literally use it to skip/cancel the mechanics of the final boss in the only raid of the phase.
lol.
its not fair tho.
dispelling is your only weakness.
this is intended.
oh no we could skip one mechanic out of many other mechanics in a raid. anyways enhance was literally dps tanking bosses in BFD and Gnomeregan.
Also avoiding mechanics like the frost phase in thermaplugg, which was a dispel hazzard for alliance.
next raid tier shamans literally spam one button on viscidus, Poison Cleanse Totem. Congratz no mandatory sac farm in LBRS or making potion of poison resistence from alchemy. (ALLIANCED FAVORED MIGHT I SAY)
range and slows also exist as weaknesses, you refuse to realize this which is hilarious.
horde couldn’t.
and thanks to people like you, that is no longer possible.
did you really expect not to get payback for that?
50 percent btw.
with what, 30 frost resistance totem?
lmao.
pop your frost protection aura on, you got it too. dumdum.
grounding totem?
use your bubble and cancelaura it.
same effect.
or tell your druids to play their class.
(while you are at it, you should play yours too… cleanse can get rid of what effects, Wavé?)
let me link you your spell, because clearly you still haven’t learned how it works.
also lol poison/disease cleansing totem are the last bit of remaining shaman utility that wasn’t outright handed to the alliance, and i knew you’d complain about it like the paladin andy you are.
for someone who hates shaman so much, you sure seem to want them on your team a whole lot.
didn’t you just say shockadin doesn’t need to be in melee range?
most slows can be cleansed btw… in fact the only slow effect you can’t cleanse, is daze effect… and hamstring i suppose, but nobody can dispel that so gg, same for both sides.
decoy totem literally invalidated the entire mechanic and took a hit from one of the hardest hitting bosses in that level bracket. No drawbacks, nothing.
You pop Freedom on one person and guess what, they lost salvation or wisdom most likely, more potential of someone dying than on horde side.
hamstring can be cleansed by your logic. Waylay (the rogue thing) can also be cleansed by pressing that button. jesus what a moron.
Shockadin if you want any mana back, needs to hit crusader strike aka melee ability. It’s not just press SR for mana and be happy, no you gotta get into melee and hope you aint getting turned into swizz cheese. You sit back and press buttons without ever being in danger.
Curse of Exhaustion cannot be cleansed aswell for your sake alone.
All of which eatup BoF which will eat the active blessing.
ah yes allow people to slack on horde side whilst having a vacation.
you complain awfully loads about howmuch horde apparently has given up to alliance when it is actually a better trade for horde than alliance.
spoiled like you and horde always have been 
ah yes, go on and boss tank without alpha i guess.
also, decoy doesn’t absorb spells, and that frost punch is primarily a spell.
it also means you need to refresh stoneskin or strength if you want to decoy.
at least you could do so because you didn’t need to dedicate a rune slot to having either decoy or alpha.
i edited because i forgot about hamstring, and i did so before you posted.
but nice try.
so you get mana every 6 seconds instead of every minute, and you can use seal and judgement of wisdom for even more mana which has no cooldown, which is also raidwide.
seems to me you win out in that trade.
you can keep pretending blizzard didn’t give you shamanistic rage back in phase 3 if you want, but i’ll be here to remind you.
that’s because its not a magic, its a curse.
only mages and druids can remove curses.
using curse of exhaustion also takes up the warlock’s curse “slot”.
also, warlocks don’t even use that in pvp, and even if they did, you can freedom out of it, so yes you can in fact “cleanse” it.
then pop a new blessing, just like i pop a new totem once grounding and decoy has been destroyed.
skill issue if you think that’s too hard.
you just said shamans are spamming poison cleansing totem.
that’s using gcds and thus doing the same thing druids and paladins will be doing.
if you don’t spam the totem, poison builds up too fast and you wipe.
it has a 5 second tickrate.
yes, getting decoy totem and alpha is a great trade in return for windfury, strength, agi and tremor totem.
2 for 4.
hunter getting lion aura was a stealth buff to paladin because now you don’t need to go into protection tree for BoK so don’t even mention that “trade”.
like there was much choice for paladins lol, also your decoy competed with alpha. one out of 2 viable DPS runes (depending on encounter).
still keeping your mistake there.
seals got no CD, judgement does have a CD of 10s (8s when talented) also it only applied the debuff, you didnt get anything off it by just judging lol.
you had to consistently hit someone with that up in BGs. (it will be gone not long after you even applied it) thanks to a priest just deleting it or grounding ate it.
worth it if you want to stick close for DL or just screw with melees because otherwise you couldnt.
one out 4 classes that can cleanse it (shaman/mage/druid being the others).
and yes certain lock builds go with that, what you playing lock too? please lmao. your simple mind doesnt even understand it, should stay off classes that you quite frankly dont get or have 0 exp.
except the fact that it is group wide, 1 button 5 cleanses whenever you ram that totem down into the ground of bugs. (it removes whatever you want to cleanse on drop down)
and ferals getting WF is also a stealth buff to shaman because now you can look for less shamans and also take ferals.
WF/Agi+Str/Tremor vs Freedom on Steroids/Alpha/Kings
anyone with brain knows that Alpha and Kings were the true winners, you still have good PvE racials for orc and troll in particular.
+5 weapon skill is literally the most free that alliance gave up to multiple RUNES.
yes exactly, and guess which rune you had to use to tank a boss?
if there was no other shaman in the raid (which is very likely because its a 10 man raid) then shaman couldn’t use decoy because he had to use alpha.
paladin didn’t have this problem because their freedom is baseline along with their salvation and whole tanking kit.
err no, i stand by what i said, including the edit.
and there it is.
literally unlimited mana.
ironic.
yeah no 
i assume paladins are wise enough to actually have a seal active when they use judgements, but perhaps i overestimate the average paladin player on this one too.
wouldn’t be surprising in the least.
you’ll be giving up your curse slot in favor of a slow - something every other class than warlock does more effectively.
if you are yelling at warlocks for not slowing people, you’re playing the game wrong, because you don’t want them doing that when they can use more effective curses, such as tongues or even agony.
4/9 classes can remove exhaustion, which is almost 50% of the classes in the game.
this is why warlocks don’t waste talent points on it.
“attempts to remove a poison every 5 seconds”
it does not always work, and in certain cases it only removes a number of stacks rather than the whole debuff.
yeah i love losing my otherwise guaranteed raid spot to a single feral druid lmao.
hasn’t happened yet, but i imagine others have run into that problem.
“sorry already have feral druid, need X”
what do you mean “on steroids”… it does the same god damn thing that freedom does lmao.
okay so in a pinch you can go 4 for 3… that’s still not a fair trade bro, that means we’re still owed 1 thing before there can be any talk of you guys getting something.
i would have been fine living in a world without alpha and kings vs. you guys not getting windfury.
you can’t say the same thing, because everyone and their mom knows that windfury is the best buff in the game, and to even try to deny this fact is a fools errand… so i guess that’s what you’re gonna do next, because you are in fact a fool.
so go ahead.
what are you talking about… please don’t tell me you are still living in that archaic “wE LoSt OuR onLy RaCiaL” mindset?
alliance gave up mace and sword, and horde gave up axe and bow, which was a fair trade.
you lost nothing and neither did i.
human paladins were the biggest winners of this exchange, because they can use def + holy hit rune and still enjoy sword/mace racial.
same goes for orc shaman who can use nature/fire/def runes and still enjoy axe racial.
it makes me happy that, as a dwarf, you can’t do what a human paladin can do.
probably makes you seethe that you, as a dwarf, need to use holy hit + either def or weapon skill rune, thus losing out on a racial.
but you know what, you got stoneform, so you’re arguably still far better off than a human or an orc… just not as a paladin, lol.