Sp doesn’t os anything, it has counterplay and can’t heal himself to full without casting.
Btw I play spriest since legion so I don’t really care about if it’s Op or not I’m still going to play it anyway.
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I met way more arms in 2s than wws for sure. fights with arms last long normally and i lost most of them. But when i meet wws they kill my healer very fast. I am still learning game and i struggle with arms lasts longer while ww ends my pain pretty quickly 
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Kinda hard to realize what’s your mistake when games end very quickly. But in time i will get better i belive.
“You have to fight to reach your dream. You have to sacrifice and work hard for it.”
nobody tell the ret that he can dispel poisons and diseases.
No one is trying to hide anything. Every experienced player knows that ww is S, while arms is S+ tier. I’m no longer an expert, but it didn’t take me long to figure it out. Ww has burst, while arms has burst + consistent dmg + a bunch of utility. The only thing where ww is better is mobility, but arms is far from weak in that segment as well. Arms also has more options for the arena, for the simple reason that he will always be more useful for the team than ww, much more useful. This version of arms reminds me of the mop, and we all know what arms was like back then. But I have no problem with this, I don’t mind it staying that way, just don’t talk nonsense and spread misinformation. There will always be strong, balanced and weak classes/specs. Of course there are some things that need to be normalized, but at the moment I think sub must be a priority.
problem is its almost impossible to survive their cds is that crazy.
Add Enhancement Shamans, Elemental Shamans, Feral Druids, Ret Paladins and Windwalker monks to that list.
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Monks are super squishy. You can delete them. Their damage is broken but you can still outplay them and oneshot them before they oneshot you with good use of PvP trinkets and your abilities.
Warriors are super broken because of their utility and defensives.
Sorry, you are right 
Im actually trash
All they need to do is nerf kyrian warrior, nerf sub, nerf off-healing, nerf ret, nerf druid both dps specs, nerf mms (again) nerf ww monk and maybe nerf resto sham mana regen in PVP?
yes but it has 30s duration while ascendance only got 15s.
way easier to get cced for 15s than for 30s. on top druid is even immune vs one of the biggest cc chain crap in the game (sheep / hex)
but it is whatever. Ascendance is strong for 2 reasons right now:
big pop dmg
40y range for wind fury procs with doom winds.
Enhance is strong but still much weaker than ww currently. Without a warriors def ability, enh just insta dies.
Nerf ret pala 1 and we talk about rhe mentioned classes.
what is wrong with arms warrior o.O ret can literally hit you twice and you die, arms has to to do alot of dmg before he kills and he cannot 1 shot before they react… he can be countered… your judgment spam cannot when you use it with templar
Exactly ret is the new dh in my eyes
I don’t think that is true, if you spend a look onto the ladder. 3 Enhancement Shamans within the top 20, only one ww. 6 Enhancer in the top 100 vs 5 ww.
I am not saying that they are the strongest melee, but I really don’t see where they are so much weaker. They also belong to the S-tier or are at least very very close to it.
don’t really follow the ladder but it is just turbo that is strong, not enhance as a single spec.
try pairing enh with anything else (except busted sub rogue obviously) and it will mostly not go well.
I just see that some of the top ele like zeepeye or so switch to it
no way. having one comp that is good doesn’t make a class s-tier.
Even ww is probably not s-tier, but is more flexible to play and has a much better kit
I think if a spec has a S-tier-composition the spec can be counted as strong. Or do you think ww does work in every comp? Or do you just count WW strong because he can win a lot 1v1? Well, then Enhancer would also be strong, as it can also win a lot 1v1!
It does. You separate specs and combos, but the strength in a team based game relies on the team. And it’s not like that you can combine ww with anything and the combo is automatically strong. Or Warrior, or Mage, or what ever else class.
I mean, combine WW with Feral, do you think it will become a S-tier combo? Some people could make it work to some degree, definitely, but wouldn’t change the fact that both specs have a lot stronger combos they could play. It works the same for any spec, every spec has that one or two comps that works the best for him.
you can pair a sub rogue with thin air and the combo is still S tier.
pair a enhance with lets say a demo lock and it is trash tier.
You want to tell me enh is on the same level as sub rogue?
Guess you would need to define what S tier actually means.
If warrior is nerfed to the ground, do you think enhance will carry turbo? Nope it will not.
How could it be S tier in that case?
But it is like whatever, enhance is strong right now but it is not save to play, as one little nerf will make it trash tier again as it was the last 15 years with maybe some very small windows of being strong
ww on the other hand was mostly very strong due to their kit. Their burst currently is beyond broken and a low cd.
a ww with feral is probably still better than a enh with feral and that goes for every single combo except turbo i would guess without thinking about it 
enh only had beastcleave and turbo. since bm hunter is garbo, you can see that enh cannot carry it even though it is S tier?
RMP was carried by the rogue even when mage was trash dmg wise. That is what I would expect from a S tier class.
Maybe you can say Turbo is S tier combo and I would agree, but i don’t agree that enhance is S tier itself, while warrior on the other hand actually is.
Nothing is on the same level like sub rogue. Nothing! But Sub rogue is not s-tier, but gm-tier!
Since we simply do not know, I could also claim the opposite without you being able to refute it. The fact is that both have stronger comps, but just because they have comps that aren’t as strong doesn’t mean the spec is weak. That was all I was trying to say with my posts.
Enhancer has a very strong comp, that automatically makes Enhancer strong as part of that comp!
Banned from us again?
Your rating can be improved, his mentality can’t.
Do not feel bad because some edgy elitist says something on a virtual forum 