“Nobody” is an overstating it, maybe not you, not others, but this guy, been whining of every post that says a single word that ww is strong, since I’ve read him on the forums.
And I don’t think here we deny arms is strong.
It’s just that WW is not like is weaker overall atm.
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We all agree that WW isn’t weak and right now also is s-tier without a doubt. Even though he isn’t the strongest in that tier, I agree there with cutîepie and the ladder seems to prove that point. Warrior is ahead there. 21 in top 100 if you combine EU+NA, while WW has 11 together.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to say with it that WW is weak. I am just saying that basically everything indicates that Warrior overall is stronger than ww and ww is just one out of a couple specs within that tier.
Just found this hahaha, calling other people biased.
Such a clown. The reason are not other classes. The reason is you
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So what is rogue fine now? 
What circus let you out.
And, no you are not biased.
The most pathetic WW whiner on the forums.
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hahahaha imagine still bringing up ‘ugh zugzug warr no selfheal zugzug loktar’
You are clearly biased and don’t want to accept that the burden of your missexperience in arena is solely on the back of yourself.
After seeing this post I got in tears 
Answering this to what he quoted from you is pretty dumb.
Maybe you didn’t know, but several specs can be not fine at once. Just because Sub is OP does not mean Arms isn’t. The point of the quote was to show that once again you are in denial, and you shift the OPness of Arms on other culprits (here, Sub).
So, yeah. Arms is up there. Sub and WW too. It’s possible.
Given what Arms can do in a rated arena at the moment it’s quite curious that you claim having great knowledge and understanding about design, yet deny the fact that it is, in fact, overpowered.
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I meant sub, like you don’t know it.
I don’t deny that arms is very strong, I just don’t agree that, 1. sub is not stronger and 2. WW is weaker.
I don’t think I’ve said arms is not strong.
I meant Sub as well. In case you were unable to read those simple lines I will quote them for more clarity :
I think you can spot the word “Sub”. Can you not ?
Everyone has the right to have his own opinion. But at the end of the days some things are true, and some are not. Currently the indications we have put Arms slightly above WW. Slightly. Which was the point of half of this little post exchange. The fact that you agree to it or not doesn’t have any impact on how it is at all.
You may not agree that the sky is blue, but it is. You have the right not to agree. It doesn’t make it another color than blue.
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“WE” like a consortium, designers team or what?
I agree that arms is very strong and I think WW is not weaker.
If by WE you mean, me and you and on that point, then yes, correct.
“we” means the playerbase as a whole. The information we have comes from the performances of the specs which are shown by the ladder mostly. And this points Arms as… better.
Information coming from your little personal experience at your level of play sadly doesn’t have the power to impact what the bigger data shows. Maybe if you were the established best Arms player then what you personally thought would matter (and still, I doubt) but I don’t think that it is the case.
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You and that guy are not the playerbase. I’ve watched a lot of streamers as weel saying both are very strong and some say one is stronger others the other, overall, same thing.
You, may think you are the playerbase, but you are not.
If thinking like that, makes you feel ok, whatever floats your boat.
Again, what matters is performance, and how the ladder shows it. Not the fact that streamers YOU watched share your ideas. What if I tell you “yeah ? But I watched more streamers, better streamers, and they share MY idea ! So I’m right !”
Do you honestly believe this is a valid way to claim who is right ? Trump-like way of debating, you know ?
And here you said you pitied the other guy because of the way he argued…
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Ladders, while a part of information that gives indication is not something to use completely to build an opinion on game design and balance.
If you had even a slight idea how designing games and analyzing data and making decision about things like that worked you would think twice before posting things like that.
Since I am 100% sure neither you, nor that other guy have that experience I find it pointless to keep on discussing this with you.
Now ladder? I don’t want even to begin explaining to you how many times ladder has not been the full and exact indication of state of game.
Indeed. As it is the only thing that is, in fact, a fact, and not an opinion. The ladder exists. It isn’t subject to your dreams. The opinion you build around it, is.
Not only can you not understand basic information when it is fed to you, but on top of that you manage to find the arrogance to think you are a superior being and that other people cannot have lived experiences similar to yours or even more enriching in their own ways ?
Indeed, discussing with such an individual who think his word is gold and others are uneducated rats with no live experiences is not worth it. But I accept to lower myself to do that every now and then, lucky you !
Indeed it has not. But then again, if you see zero Outlaw Rogues in the top 1000 and 500 Arms Warriors is it safe to assume one spec is competing more than fairly well and the other is terribly bad compared to most.
Ladder isn’t the greatest indication at the moment mostly because the season has barely started, but by looking at the way it shifts towards a spec or two both in terms of high level performance and representation, and also in terms of overall playrate (you know, the more OP something is the more it is suddenly going to be played at very casual rating even if not sucessfully) you can easily deduce what is the most powerful and thus attractive now.
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You don’t really get it, do you. Ladder is just part of the whole picture.
You are taking parts and pieces and using them subjectively as it fits you.
First, it’s streamers and top guys “say” so it’s that (it was the other guy mainly), but then, when they say something else - it’s not valid, because it doesn’t suit you.
Then it’s ladder.
Do I have to remind you how many times this guy Kelduril or whatever was his nick, moaned about ladder expressing opinion that DH is not strong and you and me and many others said to him ladder is not full indication.
But now is?
I saw a stat from a rogue posted somewhere on forums that subs are almost 3 times more represented that arms, does that mean sub is 3 times stronger?
Sub was roughly 1.5 more times represented than WW.
That does mean WW is twice stronger than arms and 1.5 times weaker than sub?
See, I told you, you don’t know how design and data analysing works, you don’t read it properly, cause you read it one-dimensionally.
You yourself say it’s too early to look at the ladder for a lot of indication and that’s correct, but then try to base your opinion on it, seemingly without taking into consideration the many other factors at play.
I don’t blame you, that’s how much you know and understand game design. Fine.
As you see, there is no direct relation to power-presentation it’s more complicated than that and I find it useless to continue in that avenue with you.
WW is in no way weak or bad atm, has crazy burst xD. Not on the same lvl as a Sub Rogue though, but its not a million miles away from it either.
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Greater Pyro
Rune Of Power
Radiant Spark
Fireball + Fireblast
Double Meteor (Molten Skyfall Legendary)
Combustion
And here we have a case of clearly biased against your own class
my point is thas asc is a 3min cd while sef has only 1.5min cd on 2 charges
big difference?
SEF alone is basically not doing stuff, a single fear or aoe root is enough and the copies are done. So instead of bursting you are actually dealing less damage, even when you use trinket they are still in cc.
Kyrian + SEF + Xuen is what makes ww burst so strong. Also has each charge of SEF 1.5 minute cooldown with 15 seconds duration. That means, if you want the big burst for longer duration, you need to stack them, ergo also 3 minute cooldown.
And btw, boomy burst also has 3 minute cooldown, without burst it’s hitting for a wet noodle. Does that make boomy unviable? Of course not, in a fast pace meta, boomy is very strong, as enhancer is. Yes, you can be cc’d during your cooldowns, as anybody can be cc’d during that. It’s part of the skill level to avoid those situations, either by baitinh the cc out before you did stuff or you play around it. That is nothing new, just basic tactics for any class with long cd on burst.