I am currently leveling on WOTLK and i had a conversation with a couple of players and it seems that the PvP scene, at least in the BG’s, is very active but when i ask which faction has the upper hand, if that exists, the general consensus is that the Horde dominates and the Alliance gets crushed most times.
If that argument is true it seems to be a bit of a contradiction since it seems that Horde is very good at PvE, because of the race traits, and the Alliance is the better faction for PvP.
To me it’s kind of hard to believe that Alliance is utterly useless in the PvP scene.
If you wish to throw in your opinion i would like to know what you think.
As someone who has played private servers for years, and wrath classic since release (both BGs and all brackets of arena), in terms of BG winrate, I haven’t noticed a huge difference. Alliance is NOT utterly useless in the PvP scene. If BGs are your thing, just play whichever faction you prefer.
When it comes to arenas, where racials play a huge role, it is hugely dependant on the spec and comp you play.
In general, horde racials tend to be stronger in the earlier seasons. In the later seasons, humans really start to shine: having two insane DV-level trinkets instead of 1 is a huge difference.
What class do you want to play? Do you have any preference between the factions to begin with?
Hello @Hurutosepe thank you so much for your feedback, it was really insightful.
As to which class I’m thinking of playing i’m hesitant between a warlock or a warrior, warriors seem cool kinda badass class but since i will be leveling i don’t know how the class is, i guess i could even try to tank but everyone seems to prefer paladins as tanks than warriors, on the other hand warlocks look badass as well and if what i have read is true then warlocks is excellent while leveling and in bg’s they are strong as well.
About the faction i would pick let me explain, i will try to make sense, from what i gathered WOTLK seems to be an expansion with a vibe more focused in Alliance but some people that play Horde told me that’s not entirely true that in Wrath the Horde has their own space, story, cool quests and meaningful characters.
My dilemma about which one to play is more focused in the future, i think that it’s very viable that Blizzard will release Cataclysm and that one seems to have a very strong focus around the Horde, I’m one that loves the lore and cool quests, but then i can be completely wrong.
It seems you were talking to members of the Alliance psyop, who are trying to make you play the worse faction to have an easier time farming in battlegrounds. They’ve been at it since before Classic released. The only time horde had a pvp advantage in Classic was during the first few days when honor was enbabled, purely due to numbers, and never again.
If I recall correctly, AV was basically unwinnable for Alliance for the entire last two phases of Classic. It only turned around when horde started getting more bots than Alliance in their comp.
Not saying that that Horde dominates in everything, since clearly they don’t, but they dominated in P2 wPvP so much they basically killed the concept of 2 faction servers. Firemaw kept sizable horde minority despite being Alliance favored, as did Zanadalar Tribe, where I played, we also didn’t drive our Horde extinct, so clearly we didn’t wPvP as “hard” as Horde did on their servers.
I struggle to think of examples where Alliance clearly dominates Horde.
See these are 2 completely different arguments but i guess that’s normal, each one gives their side and opinion about the subject.
If i look at the current WOTLK population data provided by a couple of websites it seems that Horde population is bigger than Alliance and this includes both pve and pvp servers, rp and so on.
I usually think that quantity doesn’t mean quality and it seems hard to me to believe that alliance has always a hard time against horde in pvp, unless i am show proof i will have a hard time believing that.
All my examples are in the past. Right now in Wrath it seem pretty much equal. Maybe even Alliance favoured in BGs since horde get more bots (I guess since there is more demand for RMT on Horde side, possibly due to Gehennas server which I’m told us GDKP central)
PvP servers are monofaction. There are effectively 5 of them on English language, 3 horde (Gehennas, Golemagg, Mograine) 2 alliance (Firemaw, Earthshaker).
There are 3 PvE servers, all Alliance dominated, with Mirage Raceway and Nethergarde Keep having a small Horde minority, Pyrewood Village is monofaction Alliance.
RP server Hydraxian Waterlords is tiny and has die hard roleplayers in small numbers on both factions.
All populations combined are only slightly in horde favour, mostly due to how massive Gehennas server is.
The thing is i can’t really decide between one faction or the other and that’s because i don’t know how Cataclysm was, WOTLK seems an expansion more focused around the Alliance, i think much of it is because of Arthas and Cataclysm seems to be more focused on the Horde, so i fear that if Cata arrives the Alliance doesn’t feel good in terms of quests and stuff but i can be wrong about this.
You are wrong about this. The story is almost equally distributed berween Horde and Alliance for both expansions. In fact none of the first 4 expansions that I played was significantly tilted towards one faction. Maybe early vanilla was very slightly Alliance favoured in retail 20 years ago and very slightly favoured Horde in classic because it was balanced on last patch and that favoured Horde to compensate for Alliance favor originally.
Basically, unless you play in the top 1% bracket of PvP or PvE, faction and even race is a purely cosmetic choice. As long as you are on your chosen faction server of course as I described earlier.
Nicolay i posted something similar on the Lore - Story forum, someone has gave me a different view of what you mentioned, if you want jump in there and share your thoughts.
Yeah, I read the post and the guy is mostly correct, but biased by the fact he played Alliance in Cata and didn’t enjoy it. Horde has it’s share of silly and parody storylines, especially centered aroung Goblins, and questionably “finished” zones too. And yeah, Thrall plays a central role in the storyline, but as a leader of Earthen Ring, a strictly neutral shamanistic organization, he just happens to be a former warchief. Horde is all about Garrosh being a ruthles insecure dumbass he always was. Same with Firelands patch, where Cenarion Circle is technically a neutral organization, but has a Night elf leader fighting a former Arch Druid, also Night elf but both seemingly unaffiliated with Alliance.
A propos, Fandral is a better anti-hero than Illidan will ever be, he never did anything explicitly wrong, he just didn’t have the insane plot armor and hubris of the other Night Elf heroes, and the dragonflights just kept screwing him over for seemingly no good reason.
I don’t know where it went, but in the past there was the battlegrounds lost/battlegrounds won stat on your character pane, pvp section.
It could also be that this was just on the armory;
This time around, lets say WotLK 2, it’s fairly similar, about 50% wins on alliance side. It is also more consistent throughout the day.
Alliance has the best racials but that aint everything, many people are commited to the horde from the start when the best racials were there, and many of them will refuse to change still. I would.