📈 PvP reward : Here how to massively increase participation in Ranked

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I agree with that part

that the major part of what push people to get Elite transmog

Let’s say a PvE start PvP for Elite transmog
He do not reach 1800/2100
In the current systems if he did not succeded to get the seasonal Elite transmog he might get the mindset of " rha i failedto get it, PvP is full of tryhard to get the Elite transmog, i will never get it" and stop ranked PvP.

What i suggest with that systems is for that PvE Player to be like :
" rha i failed to get it, ok i reached 1550, with some more season i play PvP i will reach better and better in PvP and i will be able to get back what i wanted i did not lose. It’s worth to replay ranked PvP and improve myself !"

It’s to avoid letdown of PvE player no longer doing PvP.
While (even if i admit 2400 for a PvE player it’s like asking a PvP player to get 9/9 mythic raid or 3800 raider io) The reward to get the elite transmog they always wanted “reachable”.

If in case the systems like you said may lose prestige of old transmog limited, let’s say 1/3 of the playerbase reached 2400, I think it’s still a massive W overall.

WoW classic still allow other player to get back the old unobtainable transmog, that we get on WoW classic or WoW retail you will get it and still able to post it " i get X transmog !"

So in the case where 1/3 of the playerbase is 2400 that mean WoW really hitted a good success extension and E-sport PvP will be very interresting to watch.

I don’t think that systems will ever bring 1/3 of the community to 2400 (else i will be impressed).
But i think it is better to give the playerbase an " Near unreachable" but once you have it it’s like Rank 14 WoW Vanilla where people was like " Whoa do you see that he have it right now he reached once rank 14 ! " even if he was no longer at that rank (since you had to maintain it back then)
Than giving a player base ( Stay down it’s no longer reachable, you have 0 reason to go to PvP ranked until you never know) which kinda let down the PvE player pushing him to stay in PvE.

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it was a good idea to place rewards for partecipation and lower rating than just glad

but then? the community as always has proven incapable of handling a system that aon the surface looked well thought and instantly started gate keeping selling boost and being more meta oriented even for the 1.6 no voices games

since all i care is bg i can only point out what id say would work for those

rated cross faction soloqueue bg, would somehow works in terms of partecipation, its unlikely that wintrading will do well in there

im not the kind of player that gets attracted from mount titles and achivements and goes into content that he doesn’t enjoy, i don’t enjoy arena, they could put full t3 mog and some crazy insane mount that shapeshift into any mount you want, and id still not q for arena, the only time i play arena is when i help a friend cap, or i cap conquest and vault myself, in fact them taking away vault cap from pvp in TWW is a huge win for me

another thing that shouldve happened ages ago is tuning based on content
and i don’t mean pvp or pve, i mean each and different content has a tier list and viability that really change alot
seems like pve is doing very well so i cannot make any examples on the current meta otherwise id say “arcane is top tier in raid, but in m+ its useless because THIS” so tune the game accordingly to make each spec viable to some extent (i know, right now arcane is doing well in raid and m+ ive got no complains on that)

but arena and rated bg are 2 examples as to how some classes have always dominated rated bg, and not arena or viceversa
boomies as been the king of rated bg since basically MoP, mage was in RBG only during cata s3 with pve trinket, corruption season with gpie and double destro, or the rare cases were water elemental defend farm in ab and they needed a 10th player
yet it did well in numerous seasons in arena, i know, u keep telling me “bla bla bla, who cares about bg” then i could say the same to u, i don’t play arena, why do i have to care if mage does well with a good healer giving him PI and dark archangel, and a rogue setting up kidney and smokebomb, id be surprised if someone didn’t die in a full combustion during a full kidney insided a smokebomb with the healer sheeped, but how likely is this gonna happen in a no voice bg ? we don’t even have BG teamcomps in 2024, today i joined an ashran to try fire livin bomb build, and we had 0 healers, 0. ina 40 man group, i was top healer as a mage between third wind pots, cautherize, and healthstones, enemy team had 3, we got instantly closed at gates and camped till bg awas over, that was 24 minutes of queue, and 15 minutes of bg wasted into a thing that should never EVER happen, idc if u don’t like ashran, ashran is not my top choice either, but then what, we stop q epic, we sotp q bg, we stop doing wpvp with warmode because there is only zerging being promoted with this toxic system, and what has arena brought us over the year ?

pvp is not balanced for bg ? yeah, and when was pvp “balanced” in arena, ive heard people complain that the game has been “trash” for 15 years of arena, and this is coming from r1 and blizzcon players that ive personally talked with on discord
is it really too much to ask to arena players to accept the fact that there is other content that has the same or other problems as their and that we should fought to have a decent system all together isntead of pining it on the “my content is more important because we have tournaments”
i wish we had rated bg tournaments too, but they would probably be a joke between the aoe pressure chicken and some classes have atm

p.s. don’t get me wrong, i love wow, and i especially love dragonflight, i simply dislike this idea that the game should only be divised to appeal to the arena player, specially because, I RARELY encounter people that genuinly like arena, its just easier to form a group, and has titles and mounts and mog, most people in my experience literally HATE how arena operate, at least right now… they liked before, when the game felt less overwhelming or more balanced, but now they hate it, and they don’t want to play it, rewards should come after the game is fun, and the game hasn’t been fun in a while to most of these people
me? aside form dh and hutners literally giving me a 0 chance to play, i enjoy the game i play bg, i play epic, i play wpvp, and i do raid and mythic plus JUST FINE
i played SS to cap, and i hated every single day of it, but what can i do? i wont EVER get into a rated bg group… praying for that cross faction rbg soloq before i die of old age.

naka out

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What you guys think about the Elite transmog vendor ?

Well, I think that people should stop talking about bringing back FOMO rewards. You are beating a dead horse.

There are dozens of ways to increase paticipation that would be more successful and wouldn’t compromise the integrity of the game’s reward structure.

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If you want people to play the game, the way you do that is to make the game fun to play. I don’t know why this is never a thread on the forums. Its always ‘add rewards’ - sure, do that for the people who still play, but you’re not going to convince me to grind 500 games, 350 of which are into DHs, just for a tabard or a mount and if you somehow make it cool enough to pull me in, guess what? I’m going to be doing it on my DH myself, because if you give me a task that isn’t fun, I, and most other people, will choose the path of least resistance to get the task done and get out. Its why FOTM is so heavy this expansion - they keep making these ‘hero classes’ that just do 25-50% more damage than every other spec.

It isn’t an impossible task to make a game that is fun. The game was fun before - its been fun this expansion. Its really simple - you heavily nerf the overperformers, every Wednesday, until they drop down to reasonable representation at 1800+, and then you buff the underperformers, every Wednesday, until they rise to reasonable representation at 1800+.

It isn’t fun to run into a triple DH lobby on your shiny new vicious saddle mount, its fun to run into a balanced lobby on any mount.

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Nobody said it should be free, also it would bring back people for a long time, there is no way all the old rewards would interest people only for a ‘’ short time ‘’.

At the end I don’t care but all I can say is it would bring back people and make the ladder alive compared to now, always good to take.

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Or you make more ppl quit or not even bother. I would be one of those.
“Why bother now when I can get it later”?

Its not just “Bring them all in and everyone will be happy”.
Putting in band-aids while giving the middle finger at other ppl is something egoistical ppl do.

So first of all, you have no idea if it would make the ladder more alive or if it would, for how long.
You think casuals would actually bother if the saddle/WannabeCoin isnt worth farming?
Why do you think he said the Saddles should be transformed into those coins? Who does it benefit the most? Why should he be rewarded instantly while casuals needs to grind?
Why do you think achieving high rating which is already impossible or a hard struggle for alot of casuals will make more casuals play?
Do you know the consequences of opening the door to old unobtainable rewards which is literally stated as “Time Limited”?

“Nah, just think of the positives but ignore everything else!” is not my way of thinking. Also why he calls me a troll since he cant handle it.

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Adding old sets/enchants/mounts for a higher effort is a win/win for everyone
It defo will increase pvp participation
It defo help with low inflation as season goes
It will deffo motivate players to become better if they want some juice
It ofc should be hard enough to obtain, noone is talking about buying elite sets for 2k cr

I’d say at 2.2 you can get old elite sets, for glad you can get a tabard of old as a bonus to the current one, 2.7 to get enchant of old and r1 to get old glad mount
The price of any currency this system has will be equal to the rarity.

This way the prestige thing will keep it lvl of prestige due to high investment needed to get it, but it will be possible and real

Also im not talking shuffles, only rated 3s
Shuffle can still have current rewards and also a shuff legend mount, having a timed title is a bad reward in general

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2k4 isn’t impossible to get at all.

Also the math is very simple, more people q the more they feed the ladder = more mmr = easier to get stuff that is hard atm cause everyone afk till last month.

I’d rather be able to play all season than just seeing it entirely dead till last month.

Agree or not, the proposition would be the best thing to bring back people and make new player actually come.

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For the majority it is. Its also a gold mine for boosters.

You think more ppl will come to play and try to get 2400 for old transmog which you, yourself said is just pixels?

Yea, I do disagree that it would be “the best thing” to bring back ppl and make new players play since the entire system is more towards actual players who either already have the rank since before, have bought a boost to get there or simply have already the currency to buy what he wants out from it.

Ppl already do not target hunt for 2400 rating since its already “impossible” for majority of players.
Already overwhelming amount of ppl who dont even get 1800.
So his target of choice is to force people to get to 2400 (once because he achieved it himself) and then have to play above 1800 to get the “coin”.

Its a system not even for casual players from the start.
Its a system built around his needs and the ppl who agree with him.
That system could be built around NEW transmog/mounts etc, but just like ppl who only want the unobtainable pixels they would not agree with it.

Give me an estimate on how many more casual players today will start playing if a system built around more 2400 rewards?
How many do you think wont bother because of it anymore?

If you want to actively make casuals want to play through rewards, then you need to reward them on all lvls and not just make something that literally benefits the ppl who already play at that lvl.
If you want ppl to stick to playing for the entire season, it has to be forced grinding which is worth it for the overall population.
Making one part of the community mad to fuel the other sides greed isnt the best situation either.

So to make “everyone happy” and a “win/win” situation for everybody the best solution for a band-aid fix (meaning it wont even fix PvP, just a band-aid for a short time) PvP wannabe coin vendor is to actually create new stuff to put in it. Not old.

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The eternal struggle of the “memememememememe” vs “you didn’t get it when it was current, so too bad.”

frankly it never gets old :rofl:

pvp will lose any value it had or has if they start giving rewards out again from old pvp content.

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So you value more a locked PvP transmog more than a active healthy PvP community growing ?

You want to get PvP dead and then complain on forums “Why dev don’t balance PvP ???” Well someone valued more elite transmog locked so the activity shutted down :dracthyr_shrug:

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Its quite funny in a sense though.
The instant you say “New rewards, not old” you get a big fat “No! Thats not what I want! >:-(”

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That true, we want : “New Reward, + the old reward”

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Atleast the day they introduce the old limited time unobtainable rewards ill be the first to unsub! Happy days! Atleast you get your rewards with your personal beneficial coin system!

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it’s not like you played much PvP before :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

Yey ! More people taking subscription back ! More blizzard budget for PvP ! More playerbase ! Success :smiley:

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Community growth isn’t impacted by rewards in its entirety, if anything its the minority impacting the game. If the game didn’t have 5000 game modes now, 0 balancing and the game wasn’t stale for several months a piece, that would be fine.

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ok :

  • Remove Seasonal mount
  • Remove title
  • Remove glad mount
  • remove Achievement
  • remove Elite transmog
  • remove illusion weapon

I want to see how many people will play ranked :smiley:
Like you totally underestimate how it represent 95% of the ranked community

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Hes the typical “Ignore what anyone says, ignore every consequences, ignore every negatives, dont think about anything else except whats positive for me” guy.
Quite impossible for certain ppl to understand the only reason certain items have any kind of “prestige” is due to it being unobtainable.

So believing making something “unobtainable” “obtainable” while “keeping its prestige” already shows their mentality.

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He is also a guy who defended Demo early 10.2 and tried to teach me how to play it. When he is 1200 stuck on it with negative winrate. I took Demo for the first time after nerfs and played a bit with my newb friend and did way better. I was right that opinions of people like him or Daedra who don’t even know how their spec works are worthless. Also it’s funny how he wants old elite sets back if they were aquired for 2200 or 2000 that he isn’t even close to reach this season. Even if they brought them back now with the same rquirements he is not getting them…

Anyway that’s the point of seasonal rewards. You’re either good enough to get them or not. If you didn’t play too bad. You will have future chances to get mogs.

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I mean personally I don’t care about tmog/toy/tabard etc… But mounts yes, I agree 2k4 isn ‘t really attractive cause it’ s only a tabard probably why people cba after 2k1.

For sure if I could get old mounts I’d try to find mate for 3s or spend more time in lfg than just cap and I don’t think I’d be the only one.

You right it will bring back boosting, but it’s always been a thing anyway so who cares? And it’s the same, it will feed the ladder to.

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