📈 PvP reward : Here how to massively increase participation in Ranked

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PvP is a lot of timegate reward

Vicious mount was a start to attract, and still is a force to attract PvE / Casual to ranked
The issue is conquest from past season is obtainable from Honor → mark of honor and it doesn’t push player to go ranked, and they stay cosy

Anyone who play a lot of ranked nowadays surely have a lot of Vicious saddle, like A TONS of them

Elite transmog, glads title and glads mount are limited time only achievable
I am for the glad mount : it really push a lot of player already to play to the top
For title, it really show with this character you worked hard for that title and worth it.

Elite transmog ? not so much people after getting 1600 for the achievement and get the shoulder of 1800 and some push 1800 and stop there because they have the elite transmog.
Some only try to reach the elite transmog because they will no longer be achievable, so with all classes when a elite transmog is pleasing, we reach 1800 and then hope to the next 13 alts to get them all.
It’s not funny because we play a spec we want to play and getting 1800 with all specs cost a lot of times, mostly when you don’t like the spec but don’t want to miss the actual elite transmog.
It doesn’t help the player pushing his 1 main character pushing rating to his maximum potential of rating, helping to play more game at high rated.

When listening to casual / PvE players, their reason to play ranked is just for the vicious mount and elite, and then they stop. So how to give them a taste to push even more and reach 2400 rating at least like they reach 2750 raider io easely in M+ ?

Well i have a solution : The Vicious Coin !

All vicious saddle are tranformed into Vicious Coins.
Vicious coins is Blizzard account wide
Vicious coin is aquirable the same way you get vicious saddle
Vicious coin progress start after 1800 ratings (under 1800 rating the only progress is the seasonal vicious mount)

So let’s make the system that will push PvE / casual to spam Ranked PvP :

  • All Previous and Current Elite transmog are available to a vendor
  • To get the free Elite transmog, you will require 2100 rating to get the full set transmog of the current season
  • Any player that have a 2400 character on the account unlock the Vicious Coin Vendor on all his character for as long he have 2400 character rating on PvP.
  • A class at 1800 rating is able to access to that Vicious Vendor, Each Elite transmog set from any season cost 20 Vicious Coin (vicious saddle)

That mean if you seek only this season transmog, you push at least 2100 to feed the ladder on rating to push, and if you already reached 2400 you can have elite transmog without stressing the next patch come out ( if you have enought vicious coin ! else refarm rating next season but the reward is not lost !)

The benefit of this system :

  1. The reward of Elite transmog does not dissapear forever and can still be rewarded
  2. It push any casual or PvE to ranked PvP to 2400 , this mean it help to get 2400 rating faster than before and keep the ladder active in any time of the season
  3. Player can release the stress that the transmog will dissapear next season on a class he do not play and continue to play his main where he have fun and continue to climb the ladder
  4. Even if the new player in PvP has still not reached 2400 yet, he still farm the “Vicious saddle” for the time he get 2400, once he will get it he can spend all his vicious coin to get the transmog elite he wished
  5. 20 Vicious coins is kinda a lot per old elite transmog, so it’s a lot of grind to get the old one player missed (mostly if you never got any before !) so the activity and the skill accuracy on the ladder will be increased !
  6. The effect of prestige is still preserved : it’s even increase since it ask for 2400 rating to get the old one + a lot of progress instead of just hit 1800 rating and done foreverfor the season you need 2100 for only the current season.

I see a lot of Benefit of implementing that system with the Vicious coin

So the vicious saddle is no longer useless if you farm ranked PvP since the beginning
You can now focus on your main spec without forcing yourself to play any other class to get that elite transmog.
The population playing under 1600 will become the population under 2100 , which is a massive increase and new player will be able to really feels among new players at lower bracket and not facing elite transmog farmer.

I was thinking about if you get rank 1 you get a “Vicious gladiator coin”, a R1 coin that allow you to buy per season 1 old seasonal glad mount. Very hard to get R1 but 1 mount per R1 season can not destroy the prestige of the past that much since not everyone get R1. But this is debatable and not sure it will work.

What you guys think about the Elite transmog vendor ?

I really think it can boost the Ranked PvP by A LOT since Ranked solo shuffle is out and Ranked Battleground Blitz will be out in The War Within.

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Ah yes, while also ignoring the fact that “Limited Time” tmog is limited time for a reason. Not “Limited time and when its gone you can still get it”.

My question is just, why are ppl like you stuck with bringing in old rewards back and cant figure out something new? Why cant the “Coin” be something you use to buy new transmog they create and so on? Why is it focused on old unobtainable ones?

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Did i shutter ?

Give me compared to the system suggested how limited time acquisition make the ladder more active compared to like (since legion) 144 elite transmog to farm ?

Because 144 Elite transmogs to farm that cost 20 Vicious coins each is a LOT of grind and make the participation in ranked HUGE compared to just 1 season and poof gone ( considering some player didn’t played in BFA or etc some classes or did not play some extension)

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Ah yes, the coin is “new” and the vendor is “new” and the old transmog is “not new” I guess.

Give a good reason why limited time tmog should be brought back because ppl like you want them.
“Because it makes ppl play it more!”
And how would not NEW transmog be able to achieve the same thing? Why is it still the old transmog?

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Fomo is fomo, if you don’t want to play while its there. Thats your issue. Its limited time for a reason. 1800 is practically free as it is, so is duelist frankly. as for new players / people too young etc etc, sorry not sorry it is what it is.

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That sounds to me like the old “Make transmog X obtainable again” rehashed in a dodgy idea.

Especially as it doesn’t even make sense in my opinion. It might increase participation in the short term, but not in the long term and would massively decrease the value of the elite sets.

If you haven’t got them in that season, you don’t deserve them. And if you haven’t played, you know better for the future to actively play PvP when you want those sets.

New cool elite sets each season would have a better effect on that. If you can always get the sets, PvE players would just play their spec when it is absolute meta until they get the sets and go back to PvE.

So from my point of view, “No thanks!”.

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You said it 1 part yourself : “We want them”

2nd point : Why making them limited ? we saw that old elite transmog more we go in time less people equip them. Prestige to have them is good but more people people transmog the elite transmog = more people discover that version of transmog and will like to participate in PvP

PvE have more Healer than in PvP, bringing part of PvE in to PvP reduce queue time and increase the number of group you can choose

because new transmog each season once farmed people stop ranked PvP

Look at drustvar : drustvar. com/leaderboard/stats/us/3v3?top=1000

at 2100 player stop playing because of the illusion
once they aquired it they have no motivation to go further and go to random battlegrounds or unranked PvP

i’m still waiting for your reason btw

For a main yea
but for 13 class to do it the time to climb it cost more time than skills
Time that you could spend spending on playing your main

20 x 144 = 2 880 Vicious saddle
do you have 2 880 vicious saddle in total in your account ?
So no , it’s not a short term at all, far from it

So you consider 1800 rating limited is more valuable than 2400 to get the set ?
I don’t think 1800> 2400 at all
I do not value low effort just because played at the right time, it just make people touch the necessary and no longer stay in playing PvP rating.

So if you touched grass, got important part of your life in university or any other thing that couldn’t give you time to play WoW you don’t deserve it ?

everyone have different taste like foods, “cooler set” is just your taste.

20 Vicious saddle per Elite transmog set when they reach 2400 rating,

Did you ever farmed 20 vicious saddle in 1 season ? If yes and reaching 2400 rating i think 1 old elite transmog is deserved for playing that much.
i’m not even sure if Esport PvP player have even 20 vicious saddle in 1 seasons.

and about the meta it’s already the case today, people play the meta spec to reach 1800 fast and then stop playing, my suggested system make them push at least 2100 for the current seasonal transmog elite set

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Prestige, just like MOP Cms, just liek tabards from years of old. Its fomo, prestige w/e you wanna call it. I dont have it all, but im happy for it to be there for integrity. I played since TBC but between my age and other factors, i didnt push competitive mmrs of any kind till legion, but im happy that i dont have it cause i know it means the stuff i work for is also in that situation.

you couldrealistically push 1.8 in 1-2 sittings if you have half a idea of what you’re doing in current meta game, skill ceiling for entry is very low compared to what it should be since most classes play absolutely degen

if i didnt do pve too and play other games, i could probably be sitting at duelist with multiple chars, but juggling all that with a job is hard enough. but still easy enough that i got all the mogs i want :smiley:

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I dont want old rewards to come back?
Theres other ppl who dont want old rewards to come back?
“But I want them to come back and the ppl who feel the same as me!”

So basically you dont care about others opinion either.

I dont make the rules. Time limited is time limited. Its not something greedy ppl can decide when they should make a return because they feel their opinion matters more.
“But you are doing the same!”
Im not. I just stick with what it says. I dont try to change it for reasons.

More healers but also more dps. Ppl will only focus on meta and nothing else since its just easier and more smooth to get what they want.

Then make them “expensive” as you say. Make ppl have to play more for those rewards.
Theres literally no reason for them to not create more tmog for it.
But obvious reasons to not bring back old time limited tmog. (One being the “time limited”)

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I understand what you mean but at the same time, most of really old glad don’t even play the game anymore , who the hell care about some pixel from 15-20 yold?

If it can make people comeback and/or play more for it (and I think it will for sure) it’ s a great idea. But only if it at a decent rating ofc and not in shuffle.

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So even yourself said it was easy to aquire it
That mean it didn’t required much work

Prestige is something you worked for it
if you want proof you played at that time you have achievement, title and gladiator mount for that to flex in
a Elite transmog will not destroy the fact you played back in that time.

Apart being selfish and refusing other people being happy
Because i really see 0 reason why it should not be obtainable again apart cracking nuts of others players

What is the goal of not making them unobtainable ?
for me it’s like “no i don’t want them to come back because it will make people happy”
or like " hey look i don’t use that dress so it should be destroy so no one should be able to use it again !"
That either selfish or not really making sense.

Thank you sherlock, but this is not a reason at all.
“Crime exist so crime should exist !”

That exist today even, nothing new
And if they play X instead of Y but still get 2400 and 20 vicious saddles i still don’t see the issue
2400 ratings is harder than 1800 ratings.

Wat ?
Ok let’s translate your logic in PvE :
" battle for azeroth raid transmog is aquirable so they have no reason to add transmog in The War Within"
Your sentence doesn’t make sense :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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That is basing it on your own opinion that time limited gear should come back.
If I had roughly the same mentality I could just say “bring back old naxx, bring back MoP challenge mode, bring back WoD, bring back them all and let me buy them from a vendor for 5 gold per item since who cares about old rewards and its pixels and why do you want to gatekeep me from getting them if so?”.

Yes it will make ppl comeback for a short time. Alot of ppl will still not be able to get them according to his proposed idea. So hes intentionally gatekeeping the tmog from them because he knows they are not good enough for it but he apparently is so he can get it with no issues.

You call ppl being selfish when you are the one who want blizz to break what they say to make you able to get the rewards? Are you trying to say other ppl are selfish and you are not? :rofl:

“Because im greedy so greedy should exist!”

You simply just dont want to understand other ppls point because only yours exist in your mind.

You see no issues with ppl playing even more meta because its just plain easier huh.

Your way of quoting something and then make it sound different is hilarious though.

Ill try to translate for someone like you to understand:

There is no reason that blizzard cannot make new transmog to base it around your idea of a coin without breaking what they themselves say about time limited rewards.

You however do not seem to understand that part because it does not follow your line of thinking or your selfishness makes your vision cloudy for one simple reason: You want the old rewards, nothing else matters.

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Transmog of old naxx is aquirable throught BMAH… with GOLDS !

And yet considered as Prestige because not everyone have it or “huge gold inflation so everyone have it now”

20 vicious saddles for 1 elite transmog set

Go to your account, how many vicious saddle do you have right now and how many time it took you

come on i want to see if you can only afford 1 one

Also you never reached 2400 once so stop saying everyone will have it since not even you have 2400 once.

“Prestige” Yep you have finnaly get what people want to keep with those armor : Prestige, the work given to be rewarded with.
if you wanted these transmog more easier better to have played at that season
Now to get old transmog you will need 2400 rating and 20 vicious saddles.

It’s not the first time blizzard changed their mind

WoW classic
PvP vendors
etc… all show that when they broke their words because of feedback it has been a insane success after.

Since the beginning you don’t want other to have Old transmog
And you believe i am the selfish one ? You don’t think you are the selfish one in the story ?

i saw people playing meta and still didn’t reached 2400 ratings.
“No need of horse in your car if it’s a donkey who drive it”

As i said everytime blizzard listened to WoW classic come back, PvP vendor Back it has been a improvement.

Old PvP player want no longer Glad mount and Curve mount because it is prestige.

From Shadowland to Dragonflight, Elite transmog set gone from 2100 to 1800 rating requirement.
Did you saw people driving mad ? Nope because it’s only elite transmog and it didn’t touched glad mount / titles / Curve mount.

I invite you to reread OP
I really pointed how to reintroduce Old Elite transmog By still keeping Prestige.

You just don’t want that systems because you never reached 2400 and seasonal transmog will go back to 2100 and that not something you want.

I am waiting for your next post the number of Vicious saddles you have on your whole account.
I insist, because when i see your Feast of Strenght PvP something tell me you don’t have the reference how much is 20 vicious saddles.

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:man_facepalming:

Healing in PvP is awful. I only do it to get the elite mog or when I’m really, really bored.

If I had the patience to sit in queue as a DPS to get it, I would probably do that instead of healing but I don’t have the patience to sit that long in queues.

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Rewards are not the problem in Ranked PVP :man_facepalming:

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I wasn’t wrong. Pepega Warlock with negative winrate asks for past elite sets.

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I mean yes, it was easy to acquire. For me I’ve been punching above the belt for elite sets for a few expansions now, meanwhile I know people who are negative winrate 1.6 with hundreds to thousands of games played.

Its still a limited time reward, so it shouldn’t be available to the masses from newer patches, cause its a reward you earned for playing your class at that level or higher, during that patch.

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But Its Gatekept behind Gold. I Want A Vendor To Buy It All For 5 Gold.
And since when is t3 prestige? When they put it to be on BMAH it were already obtainable again. Now you can craft it aswell.

I dont tell blizz to make old time limited tmog obtainable again. I never said I were good either did I? So you tried another direction to talk down on me. Good for you even when u fail. :roll_eyes:

Make something time limited which is still a prestige non-prestige because of selfish ego. :+1:

Are you trying to say they time limited PvP vendors and broke their words and brought it back? Now im amazed.

Congratz. Sad you cant see consequences since your eyes are full of greed.

Making certain things easier for the future is a massive difference compared to bringing old time limited tmog back. But you still have a weird way of thinking.

The instant you make it obtainable again theres no longer prestige for it. I have no clue how you do not realize that part. Its quite mindboggling.

I dont care about my rating. I dont care about your rating. I dont care about anyones rating. You dont need to pretend like I do.
I dont want systems that brings old stuff back since if you open it you can never close it. I do wonder how ppl live with such greed they do not care about anything else.

And I still dont care. Im not the one who wants old stuff back because you believe you deserve it for whatever reason.
Must be quite hard being massively selfish and try to make it sound like others are instead.

Literally making a system thats based around your greed for old tmogs. Quite fascinating.

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I see i fallen into your troll trap of yours,

  • level 11 hidden profile with external API for website disable to hide
  • Using word on me that i said when it doesn’t apply to me (damn man imagine wanting everyone to get all the same reward is “selfish”, check the definition on dictionary to see how incoherent you are)
  • I asked you how many saddle you had, you didn’t answered and you shouted it like “vicious saddle easy to get it’s short term” when you didn’t even get like… 3 max ? so that kinda speaking for nothing since you didn’t get one in dragonflight. so telling 20 is short term is trolling
  • your only argument is “I don’t want anyone to get it because i want it” without any argumentation.
  • You call me for not caring when all the “don’t care” come from your post :dracthyr_shrug:
  • i watched your activity post since the last 2 days : You spend your time on the forums to disagree with everyone without giving a good redaction of basic argumentation (what is the issue → your opinion → here multiple other suggestion to solve the issue) (you just throw “i don’t want old transmog to come back because i don’t want to”, wich is not a argumentative opinion)

So yea i though we were going somewhere argumentative but we turn around because you keep trolling the forums because you are bored with real argumentation.
I will answer to other but i see with you and your feed activity discussing lead to nowhere but a childish “i don’t want to so i don’t want to” manner.

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Ah my main is Dawn - Silvermoon. Happy to help.

You have saddles. Your entire system is based on saddles to get old rewards. You even said it yourself that its because you want it. Interesting that it now somehow do not apply to you.

I dont need saddles to “prove anything” though? In what way would me having 100 or 0 saddles prove if the system would be “good” or “bad”?
The entire point were quite simple: Its time limited rewards which should not be returning. But because you want it for obvious reasons you tried to mask a system around it. (Maybe even with currency you already have which would make it even more hilarious?)

I never said you didnt care though? I said I didnt care about my rating or yours while you seem to do.
You however care quite alot about old time limited rewards.

Your argument is based around that you want it. You did not like the idea of creating NEW transmog to fuel your idea, it HAVE to be the old time limited ones.
Do you see the difference?

You can say im trolling if you want if that makes you happy. It happens quite often when certain ppl do not like what they read to automatically call me out for trolling.