So you bashing peoples arguments with bad statements means people should be friendly towards you when you didnt rly show it yourself?
If you wanted me to attack you, I could def have been doing alot worse based on your attitude and arguments while treating my replies as trash yourself.
You are not here for arguments and discussions. Thats VERY clear when you say:
I have no clue how you cannot see this attitude as literally making fun of ppl. Then dare demand that ppl discuss with you as “grown ups”.
People will be treated how they act.
Its like you refuse to change 99% of your stance with wanting old rewards but demand that people change their view based on yours otherwise its just them saying “the same thing over and over”.
I do not rly care how people are in real life, I attack their arguments and I will write how they act INSIDE those arguments.
If you are the best person in the world IRL have no value for me when it comes to arguments or discussions inside this game.
Theres alot of people who act VERY differently when it comes to IRL vs Internet. Just saying.
its completely fine
I would like to thank you all anyways for taking the time to discuss this deadbeat topic.
Il say it again do i didn’t want to advocate for handouts sorry if it came out that way but i do see some of the unused glad models as waste since they are some of the best in game and i do think they would make great incentives, at the same time i now understand that it would bring more harm then good since it would possibly cheapen out the whole experience.
i just wish the discussion went abit different
In the end we are all passionate members of the wow community.
btw just looked at the reply on top what’s that about???
This is true, or well, I atleast hope it is for majority of ppl.
Just some of us are abit more extreme with our words.
My reply is mostly around
“Act how you want to be treated”.
And that people take things personal when its not rly directed how they act irl, more how they act on the internet, maybe through arguments etc.
So its not a personal attack on you directly since you can be very different irl compared to how you argue on the forum. Can be alot of different reasons why ppl say certain things when it comes to the internet.
no offense did you see the attack made against me?
I’ve been drilled since i made this post my own achievements cheapened out in defense of theirs.
in their eyes I’m not recognized by my highs but by my lows I’m sorry to say calling me hard stuck its game talk calling me intitled its personal also intitled to what???~
if i was intitled i would simply not pvp.
most people that disagreed started by saying the post is stupid or the take is fried does that sound as you said discussion in good faith?
Sure there will be people who will say things outright as they feel, just the same as you do.
But I cannot say that the original post were even remotely good to start with, its very inconsistent.
Then the way you basically denied everyone elses takes yourself made it look like the post were more moving towards entitlement compared to actual being willing to discuss and argue.
Just because some ppl attacked you or whatever, doesnt mean you needed to hold the same attitude against everyone else who did not agree with you.
I’m gonna have to disagree when you tell me my argument was inconsistent, i maintained the same line of thought until proven different towards the end, it sadness me you keep painting me as if i got mad every time some one disagreed with my take i got mad when people tried to rephrase or tell half truths about my statements, i had to repeat a multitude of times i wasn’t asking for handouts because every reply was supplemented with the idea i was asking for handouts/entitlement…
The post gave you an argument supplemented by claim, reason to support that claim, and evidence to back up the reason. Yet you claim the original post wasn’t even remotely good? can i ask you why?
Are you rly telling me you can call out other people but they cant call you out?
The way your argument claims that you want to “keep the prestige” but also give the middle finger to it after 1-2 expansions.
You claiming this while its obvious both sides would not be happy.
This would point more towards why bother going for higher rating when you can just grind the easy way at lower? Have you read about the complains people have about facing R1 or glad ppl at lower rating?
The comment made it sound like you actively believe every glad player would be happy their mounts are being given away. (yes, that is the reality with the original post. Even if you do not see it doesnt mean thats not how it is.)
The only one you cared about were the arguments that lined up with your own. You basically denied other peoples ideas or suggestions.
you can call out my arguments by doing them justice with out cheapening them.
The so called middle finger after 2 years its a clear over dramatization you would still get to keep your titles same way it works in mythic raiding you have the cutting edge achievement as proof you got it in relevant times its not inconsistency you simply are looking at it trough different lenses. Both sides would benefit from an increase pvp population (inflation) also the more players active the less impact you feel from boosters, by telling me the argument would incentivize a why bother with pushing glad if i can do it later philosophy you are proving my point that people are reward driven/influenced and most pvpers do it for the rewards half of the ladder feels like this with the current structure no reason to push past certain ranks my suggestion was a way to combat this.
once again you are telling me i didn’t take other peoples takes into consideration even do my ideas changed evolved multiple times from increased rating thresh holds to recolors to new rewards instead (clear compromise).
if i only cared about my argument and like minded people i wouldn’t have posted on the forums and reddit.
my argument changed from the start i was able to form a new opinion you still tell me i didn’t listen to other peoples takes?
Ah, if we are going with that wording, your arguments felt very cheap.
PvE is PvE. PvP is PvP.
Stop using PvE as your base for argument for PvP. Its very cheap.
You mean you denying everyones opinion except the ones who agreed with you or had the same kind of arguments?
Yea, I am confused why you made that comment when its not in line with how your arguments been.
If in fact the argument was cheap in your eyes i feel as if you did nothing to enrich it and isn’t that the purpose of discussion and forums? like you said and very well massive berlin wall between the two , pve is pve pvp is pvp yet one is healthy another is in the gutter perhaps taking positive changes from one side could be beneficial dont you think. Remember how happy all the pvpers were when they regained access to t3 via crafting/blackmarket perhaps you shouldn’t be so hypocritical.
i can use pve as an argument because as the mirror pinnacle activity it can offer us a different yet similar insight. To remind you my conclusion was you guys are rite the recolors are a cheap solution and too close to the real product ???
Yet you claim im denying every one…
Are you in good faith?
feels like you lack willingness to consider a different perspective since the start all you did was hammer the same poisoned induced critics with no counter offer contrary to @strenght for example.
i placed myself on your shoes yet you did 0 to do the same for me.
Lol. You call other peoples arguments cheap but others cannot call yours cheap.
Thats perfect.
What? Are you rly making assumptions to call me a hypocrit?
Only after a rly long “no” from you until you just plainly gave up.
I got denied when I told you to just talk about new rewards instead of old. But sure.
What? I see from both sides. I already told you (which you forgot I guess?) that I also wouldnt mind getting old rewards due to me just wanting them.
I also said I dont want them to come back since it could DAMAGE WoW more than just making them come back.
So please, atleast dont lie.
Try not to act like you can say whatever you want yourself but noone is allowed to do the same against you.
Totally valid point. I feel that this could really emphasize the point of a PVP track/reward system such as the mystical video. Maybe spreading rewards along each and every bracket. So after you achieve it in one you still have something to chase.
Personally I just wish blizzard would post a poll on some options. And we had a community that didn’t vote no on things out of spite and what they believe was just fair or brought the most players into a game we love.
Also we had a cool glad mount to chase for. I think this has a lot to do with why people want the old ones. There’s no motivation in chasing these ugly ones for most of us.
Gear itself is good reward if they know what they doing…
Top tier PvP gear for anyone = bad decision, it only encourage meta slaving, and PvP lacks a carrot on stick.
But good decision will be 5% stronger gear behind rating tresholds… 5% is not enough to win you a game if you not play well, yet it can offer you an edge and reason to work on your character, and working on your character is core part of MMO.
That makes it the same way the saddles are. Nice the first few times you get it, but at some point, you have saddles in your bag, but nothing to spend it on, and we are back to the start.
Why not add more rewards to PVP?
Why does raiding have 4 different color schemes for the sets, but PVP has 2?
Add different colors, make more achievements such as “Get 1800 in all brackets”, make titles like “Get 1800 as each role in PVP Blitz”…
Throw in another mount at 2100… We have it for M+ for hitting 3k.
Maybe this would help incentivize people to play other game modes or other roles… For me personally up until this season I just did 2s at the end of the season to get easy elite set. The SS system in itself is filled with problems and is the main driver for me not wanting to participate as a healer