Yeah. One of the top 5 guilds would still win. Most likely limit or echo.
why stop there? if you remove progress in the end game, then why not remove leveling all together.
Nono, you need to suffer alittle. Its an mmo after all. And who said enything about removing endgame? Keep the endgame, but every player is at the same power lvl.
I play SC2. I also play WoW.
I want genuine skill-based PvP in WoW.
Please understand that thereâs not a single other game out there that plays like WoW.
We have no other options. And no, 5 button MOBAs are lame and weâre not interested.
There are dozens-hundreds of games where you donât have any concept of gear progression and it is all skill based.
Me? I played those to death 15+ years ago. I was pretty good at Battlefield 1942, less good at Battlefield 2, and by Battlefield 3, frankly, I had neither the reactions nor the inclination to bother any more. It all felt very⊠transient. Everything was about the next 20-minute skirmish with no persistence. In the end, I wanted my efforts to stack.
So I have spent thousands of hours in WoW, an MMORPG, with persistent gains rewarded for effort made.
On the rare occasion I do decide to go PvP? Damn right I intend to stomp anyone who hasnât put in the same hours.
Dedication and patience are the primary skills in this genre.
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Yes, in StarCraft, the only reward for pushing a higher rating isâŠhaving a higher rating.
In WoW, even without gear, you still get elite appearances, titles and mounts, that are all seasonal, unique and a great incentive to keep pushing every season.
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Because in pve the mob wonât try to adapt to outsmart you, so there is no challenge after you achieve it. It would get stale if there is no sense of progression you need to work towards, in wow case that would be mythic raid.
In pvp this makes no sense because people adapt and have different levels of playing the game so why you want gear here? that is not the goal, you testing skill not who roll the best odds in the casino last night?!
Also pve is insanely unbalanced does way too much damage, it interferes too much in the fights to the point that is obviously unplayable in pvp.
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Because gear progression and character strength are endemic to an RPGMMO.
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Why only pvp?
Why pve players shall not be skilled based?
After 2 months Denatrius is yet to figure it out that his mirrors are saving me from his attacks, you think this happens because i have that much skill?
when do people adapt? people in random bgs most of the time refuse to adapt and rather leave.
in arena you just got to follow the meta and basicly get free wins.
And only a handful of people do rated bgs.
If you remove any sense of reward trough gear it will just be some boring slugfest with nothing to aim for.
What would you get? some tmog or mount? sorry to tell you, but the pvp sets are extremely ugly. and the mounts are not always that special either. i mean the current spider mount is. But if you only do pvp who cares about mounts anyway
mmorpgs dont work like games like battlefield mate.
and only picking meta classes in arena for easy wins equals skill? thats just the flavor of the month and its what alot of people do to progress. thats the kind of hell you will see if gear doesnt matter anymore. Everyone will play the same 3 classes. because some classes will be better than others even if people have equal skill
PvP should have one base gear and separate skill kit optimized for PvP so PvP changes donât impact PvE and vice versa 
My primary reason why I hate PvP in WoW, and MMORPGs in general, is its heavy reliance on gear. I want PvP to be a âdrop in and playâ with everyone on equal footing. Thereâs nothing fun about getting stomped by someone with twice the health and 4 times the damage output.
I donât mind flavour of the month type of thing, strong doesnât mean broken/unplayable and that happens a lot because of pve and pvp interaction. If you donât play pve what use would you have from gear anyway, you either are good at pvp or not! donât need gear to carry you.
I read the OP as âI want to be competitive without putting the time in.â
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well if you dont need gear anyway, good luck pvping naked. Tell me how it goes. gear is part of mmorpgs.
And the flavor of the month thing is bad for a reason. Remember how not long ago people complained about mm hunters and sub rogues oneshotting people? You saw tons of them. Strong often does mean broken in this game. That would mean some classes/speccs would never ever be seen again as they would not be viable
Seriously mate, if you want gear gone that badly, then mmorpgs are not your type of game. Perhaps you should try battlefield?I would recommend a MOBA but even mobas rely on people buying gear during the rounds.
and again the same argument could be applied to pve as well. there is no need for gear progression either then. Just the skill to dodge stuff and interupt stuff in time. much like pvp
That would be impossible unless i was a pvp prodigy who feels dirty by touching pve.
There should be a choice, there already is to a small extent but you have to go out of your way to enjoy scaled pvp combat.
Epic bgs 20-49 are the largest scaled pvp bracket but to que these you need to party with a player of this level bracket or a trial, going out of our way when really it could be a que option for all,such a simple thing.
Actually there is a lot that can be done to improve this scene for everybody, it really gets to me reading all the posts on forum and playing the bgs. I really love this content and consistently play it so many hrs over 10+ years. Big large scale epic pvp battles, itâs freakin epic!
There is far more problems than just gear issues and Iâm seeing longer ques because players are not sticking about or queing into them as much, I donât blame them either. (Even a blacklist alone would be great, I have lost many hours due to this and itâs bad for bgs trying to actually form team efforts and stuff like wintergrasp is giving 50+ deserter debuffs a game into the que system -_-).
If you are good you will get gear
But you do have.GW2 has the best pvp scaling.Have you tried it.I love it.Would be nice if WoW coppied that but they didnât.Their scaling experimentfailed miserably.