Havenât played a ton of PvP this patch yet, but did Frost Mages really need that many buffs? It seems to do fairly well from my experience. If someone playing a frost mage can let me know if I am completely wrong, please do so
Show me at least one arena match where an outlaw rogue is top 1 damage with at least x1.2 of someoneâs damage. It literally happened only once with me, where i spammed blade flurry and it was half of my dmg. Itâs the hardest spec there is and doing even a few mistakes punishes you hardly. If there is someone who really did top 1 dmg without blade flurry in any form of content he âoverperformedâ only because of his huge skill and not because the spec is broken.
I am not sure about that one.
The spec is broken.
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From the pure damage standpoint and the easiness of the mechanics of the mage - no, that amount of buffs was not needed, nor buffs were needed at all for frost.
i guess ppl can play whatever they want but i think outlaw belongs in m+, you are free to try change my mind 
dh still remains as way overtuned regards dmg and the nerfs did nothing, its just still abused in every bracket
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can you just fix sub rogue talents in pvp? cretin devs
Monday evening, no notes yet 
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Priest is the only class with 2 healer specs.
Youâre supposed to see twice as many Priest healers.
Outlaw? Not as broken as your spec. Assa put bleed, vanish ??? Target killed. Tell me how is it possible to defend no skill assa?
After letting the nerfs/buffs play out for a while, Iâve come to the conclusion that the game, atleast as far as PvP is concerned, is broken beyond repair in Dragonflight.
Solo Shuffle should of been the thing that brought new people in pvp and I donât think it did that at all. All it did, was to create frustration among the existing, already lowering by the day PvP population.
Every season we have some âthe chosen oneâ class that runs rampart, demolishing everything in their path. Some classes can kite forever, others are brick walls. Nothing feels moderate, everything is pumped to the extreme.
Healers just outright quit, since the MMR has been f-ed for them since Dragonflight got released. In combination with the fast pace, stress induced meta, that is just not rewarding enough for them to keep queueing.
Slow reaction, if any, from Blizzard to communicate or address any of the current issues. 40 minute queue times, nothing implented for leavers , nothing to compensate the other people who waited to queue just for someone to leave e.g priority queue and etc.
At this point we are paying to stand idle in queues and when we eventually get in, the game is just unfun and borderline frustrating.
Iâm just waiting for SoD, if it sucks as well⊠you get the picture. Everything I said is my own personal opinion and Iâm not trying to post it as a fact. However, I think a lot of people feel the same way, and the number of pvp participation is at all time low.
I was never able to understand why queable ranked PvP;
- Was made a shuffle system (no MMORPG have this but Blizzard had to Blizzard and add their âthingâ, which made SS insufferable for one additional reason),
- Why It was made a 3v3, instead of a 2v2?
I mean, was it really that difficult for Blizzard to figure out that 3v3 is much more difficult compared to 2v2? And new comers are either;
- Doing absolutely no DPS and making their team lose,
- Or playing healer and dying in 2.3 seconds to mele onslaught.
And we expect new people to get into PvP and SS que times to decreaseâŠ
This entire thing reminds of C.Ronaldoâs delusion meme.
Edit: By the next expansion I am expecting 45 min. que times.
The spec is broken in case you havenât noticed
Not anymore, in Legion/bfa Maybe, but since Sl itÂŽs not the hardest Spec anymore, especially with the new rework
even assa is harder/ and sub anyway / outlaw is the easiest spec from all rogue specs
Thank you.
Since Dragonflight, and devs still havent nerfed it once, instead of nerfing this class, they buff this class every 4-8 weeks by 10%
Maybe if you knew a little more about the game I could sacrifice some of my time to explain this you, but considering your forum history I am not going to waste any more than this one answer.
Have fun living in your bubble.
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MM getting absolutely pissed on again! How is a C tier spec getting nerfed whilst unholy DK is pretty much untouched!!
SoD launch im out of this sh** show.
People not knowing that PvP is and always will have some meta. If you want universally be good and useful in PvP then play 3v3 with RMP. Everything else has its up and downs and that it is what it is.
Also there is also Dunning-Kruger effect. Maybe just maybe you are not as good as you think you are thatâs why you are underperformin
Every class each patch is whining, this is eternal
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The only thing you two say is that the spec is âbrokenâ without any evidence. You are the only ones who say this. And how is it not the hardest spec with its big APM and inability to play without weak auras? I donât have max lvl assa or sub, but i donât think theyâre harder. Thereâs just no way, really. Outlaw is hard enough. Even on pvp tier lists, which i saw outlaw is nowhere near s tier. Am i too bad to understand that my spec is broken? Why donât i then have infinite survivability like healers or infinite damage like dh, for example. I just donât understand why. I literally use similar builds like top outlaws do and i donât see anything broken with the spec, except maybe mobility. What am i doing wrong?
now tell that to drdaggers winning every single game he is regardless of matchup
nop
this is literally not an issue for anybody the only thing outlaw cares about is stun DR
Ye it aint in the hands of rival players but its broken as hell otherwise, literally dead in 1 shadow dance. writing this just as i finished some random solo shuffle game where i had no trinket and guy got me behind a pillar as i was kiting since my healer greeded his own trinket on blind and got sapped after, dead 100-0 1v1
probably
because u do, u dont have DH aoe piss dot DMG to look scary in details. all u have is guaranteed kill 100-0 in a stun dmg. which is way more valuable 
oh and infinite CC for 3 people on standby
probly not abusing your CC properly
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idk what high apm 1-2 button spam have to do which âbeeing the hardest specâ
Sub Rogue is, and will be the hardest Spec, because u have to do a Setup, and you need a higher game understanding to be successful as a Sub rogue
while as Outlaw rogue, u have more Sustain dmg and you donât have to rely on a setup as much as you would as a Sub Rogue
Also Skill capped Ranked the difficulty of outlaw rogue as medium, itÂŽs not easy, but itÂŽs also not hard
The only really âhard to play/masterâ Specs are Sub rogue, Feral, Frost mage. mby Survival too?
if you think, that your survivalbility as an outlaw rogue is bad, then i dont know what to say
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