There shouldn’t be a PvP stat. Resi / PvP power was implemented to fix a fundamental design mistake: the game was way too oneshotty, so Resill was implemented. As for PvP Power, it was no better than Legion’s templates - everyone ran around in the same gear. We already have seperate PvP balancing, Blizz should continue doing that.
People should be able to gear up by doing PvP or PvE, but BiS should be a mix of both, for both PvE and PvP. Just like it always was.
Edit: Fun Fact: the BiS gear for PvE this patch is strictly all PvP gear (excluding trinkets, mechagon rings and some azerite pieces in some cases), simply because they have a better stat weight. Stat% corruptions makes those items super broken, as you gain more secondary stats.
But simultaneously it is a much more socially accepted starting point for a person to go into BGs with that gear, and if you have a degree of scaling towards a more reasonable starting point to otherwise inadequate gear, you’ll p much solve the issue with that.
Or considerably up the ilevel of BG rewards, either way. You’ll encourage premades with dedicated PvPers, but BGs should have a place in the gearing process, which they currently do not. When that incentive was removed from BGs, the participation plummeted.
I agree with this, but PVP stats are not the answer.
PVP vendors for regular gear is a perfect implementation, and correct me if I am wrong but that is exactly what is happening i SL.
It is healthier for the game for a player to decide if they want to acquire their 430 ilvl gear from BG’s or Dungeons.
Then their 450 gear from LFR or low level Arenas / Skirmishes / RBGs.
PVP stats break this. You’ll either have to do both or pick one path to go down, hindering yourself whenever you want to play the other side.
PVP stats make BGs a mandatory step.
this is BS. they do it because they’re forced to. Check holinka twiter from 2014 where he says that PVP queues are as high as PVE queues.
Make a part of the game (in this case PVP) be good and fair and people will play it.
PVP is NOT a niche. is NOT a mini game. it has been a BIG part of the game since release.
stop trying to justify bad design decisions (and the consequence of those decisions making players play less PVP) with stuff like “well players dont play it anyway”, when its clear that they dont play it because its unbalanced and has an unfair progression relative with PVE which makes PVE a better source for gear.
First of all that statement even if true to this day does not prove you right or me wrong. I am saying PVP only players are a minority, not that PVP itself is minority content that is unplayed.
But why would I use a comment that is 6 years outdated? Times have changed, drastically.
You’re only fooling yourself by telling yourself otherwise.
Do a random sample on the forums, guaranteed most people are not PVP only. I’d hedge my bets that most people rarely even PVP.
I mean if they don’t want to introduce PvP specific stat, then use the system that was in place in WoD. While in PvP combat, PvP gear scales up in ilvl. It is such a simple system and it works.
Better yet for BG heroes like me, allow me to use the otherwise entirely useless marks of honor to upgrade the item level on my pvp items as seen with benthic items.
have been saying this for months, unless some sort of PvP only stat comes out it will be m+ and raids all over again, I don’t get why Blizzard is so stubborn about this, either they are delusional or they don’t care at this point since they did such a good job at getting rid of their PvP playerbase for the past few years (maybe they don’t want to destroy their progress kinda thing ?).
idk why its so hard for them to go back on old systems which were clearly superior, also it looks like most of us minus raiders will be seeing any form of loot at all with SL given the gutting of M+
Well WoW is not a pvp game, never was. It’s more of a brawl type pvp of small duels, but there are simoly no meaningful/world impacting large scale battles in wow world. Everything is so streamlined around pve, no wonder that best gear comes from pve. Good cause, but I doubt pvp gear will get pvp-only stats, didn’t work-out very well back in woltk, just brought more toxicity, when pvp’ers couldn’t do pve with their high end pvp gear.
Simple - wow is a pve game, pvp is not a focus (hard to balance, no creativity needed for story writers/designers, umyou can’t create nice cinematic from pvp content, etc. etc).
how is this a argument, I don’t want to have a super balanced E-Sports oriented game like League or Overwatch, that would be kind of boring and of course it simply wouldn’t be possible for a RPG like WoW, everything people ask for is the system that worked in the past: Vendors plus a PvP only stat.
I don’t really think it’s rocket science and would require tons of work and re-structuring of the game.
You. Yes you. I like you and your idea.
Those marks of honor have been next to useless the entirety of BFA, once you had bought the recipes and you had the potions you wanted (which could only be used in unranked battlegrounds anyway).
Literally stopped playing for more than a month at a time since they removed pvp vendors. I just dont enjoy wow without something like this in the quote.
By the end of mop I had farmed Battlemaster and almost Khan by playing alone(0 premades i aint no pleb). just wanna pvp , but not like this…
Pretty much just here to say I agree that we need PvP gearing and a PvP stat.
I highly doubt it will happen, and I think gearing will be a timegated PvE fest with RNG weekly loot boxes again, but at least I can say I voiced my concerns before launch.