No idea. That’s always been the unknown, because we have no sales reports to base estimates from.
We know two things though.
We know that there are zero players in China now.
And we know that when Blizzard started reporting a loss of WoW subscribers, that Mike Morhaime specifically attributed the majority of them to “The East”, i.e. China.
So it’s also fair to say that western players are more stable subscribers, i.e. the decline in subscribers should slow down now because western players are more devoted to the game than Chinese players were. And now there are only western players left.
Oh you misunderstand me, I’m not suggesting DF’s theme is weak because of SL. SL messed things up, and DF’s theme isn’t strong enough to make a noticeable amount of players go “hell yeah all is forgiven I’m back”, two separate things.
There’s clearly a timeline of failures, SL pushed a few people over the edge and DF’s safety rope isn’t as long as we’d hope for, even if it’s made of great durable material (if this weird analogy makes sense).
Then why in the hell you start a conversation with me about …NUMBERS?
You were asking for it, LOL. Everyone and his mother knows what that graph is…except you, which btw, for some…unknown reasons you kept going with the subject. But it turns out you don’t care … then why going?!
Oh, I would of use some…kinky words right there with this ignorance reply of yours, especially based on your above replies vs this one.
Anyway, so you don’t care. Then shut up and let grown up adults talk about this kind of things.
Off you go now!
Another ignorant fan.
That’s … wording for you and for the investors. Good wording that is because as always and in many markets, you reflect back to the last product of yours, not the weakest.
If they sold … 3.6 , 3.5 , 3.2 , even 3 mil, they would 200% release this numbers. But they didn’t. Warcraft Raiding Logs shows WoTLK Raiding scene much higher than Retail. So yea, go figure it out LOL. All who’s left in Retail are … Flower Farmers , aka picking up flowers, Fishers , aka Fishing , Transmogers , aka Transmog Hunters, Old Content players, etc. Aka … your usual casual suspects, which more or less, have pushed WoW Retail into this mess.
I didn’t. You were claiming things as facts that you can’t prove.
THAT’S what I responded too. You then mentioned numbers, as if they mattered. Which they didn’t because they don’t prove anything.
I will not ‘shut up’ when someone talks to me the way you do.
I bite back. Now, you said days ago:
So please: Just be done.
Don’t give me any more of your passive aggressive, masked insults and YOU be quiet instead. Thanks.
That wasn’t proof.
Those were numbers you showed me because I didn’t believe they stopped showing sales numbers. Which they apparently did; and I admitted my fault and even apologized.
Was that not enough for you?
No. They really don’t.
Because SL had the highest number ever.
So chances are very realistic that DF sold more than any of the numbers that are lower than that. It MIGHT not have; but we can’t prove that.
it’s not that odd the expansion don’t really offer much and they already started back paddling on some earlier things they said blizzard did not just burn the bridges to the community they nuked them from orbit and expected people to forget and forgive but they didn’t
Nope, not an ignorant fan, just commenting on faulty arguments.
That’s … wording for you and for the investors. Good wording that is because as always and in many markets, you reflect back to the last product of yours, not the weakest.
If they sold … 3.6 , 3.5 , 3.2 , even 3 mil, they would 200% release this numbers. But they didn’t.
Assumption, terrible argument.
Warcraft Raiding Logs shows WoTLK Raiding scene much higher than Retail. So yea, go figure it out LOL. All who’s left in Retail are … Flower Farmers , aka picking up flowers, Fishers , aka Fishing , Transmogers , aka Transmog Hunters, Old Content players, etc. Aka … your usual casual suspects, which more or less, have pushed WoW Retail into this mess.
Retail leans more on M+ anyways, not sure what a one-on-one raiding comparisment shows.
I’m not denying that WoW doesn’t have great numbers. I’m just arguing against the use of terribly supported opinions.
The problem with GW2 pve content is that even fractals at their max level are very easy… theres no real “challenging” pve content like in wow.
That beig said, bliz should look at gw2, because there are some fantastic things in it that bliz could implement… like dragonriding xD
And things doesnt have to be copied 1 to 1 either…
Theres a lot of crying about best gear being from +20s and mythic raid ect…
Could we imagine a world where bliz semi copied the legendary system from gw2… have +20s/mythic drop HC quality items, but allow players to customize stats on +20/mythic items, maybe have them BoA instead of BoP when you do the hard content.
It would still give incentive to do that content, but decrease the huge ilvl gulf between people…
After the disaster called SL nobody (and definitely not Blizzard) could be surprised by lower sales. I am sure they expected this. The combination of Shadowlands + lock downs burned out many players and taught them to wait and see what DF will do different.
Less people showed up to this years dragon themed birthday party because last years Soul prison birthday party was just that bad and unenjoyable, the music was depressing, the cake was bland, there was only half a crate of beer, etc. The party before that wasn’t great either and remember the christmass party where he got so drunk he made one of the other guests cry?
Basically this analogy does nothing against the claim that DF’s lack of returning players is because of DF, if anything it only drives home the arguement that the main reason is because of the failures of previous birthdays and a scandal.
So even with this analogy in play; we’re no further in the discussion of returning numbers vs retention.
