Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race - 2024 (Part 1)

Possible but idk if they will considering the Arathi just consider themselves Arathi and nothing else.

I still strongly believe expecting more then neutral races to be added in the future is setting yourself up for disappointment but you could say that Amani H wouldn’t make a lot of sense at the start of the expac so they’d have to make it make sense first before they could introduce that alongside Helf A and we already saw them do that with kul’tiran/zandalari back in bfa so its not something that hasn’t been done before.

These are just fleeting thoughts really, I still don’t think they will allow themselves to invest the time required to set up two new races development wise.

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Oh same, I doubt its gonna happen and if they do sneak “high elf” in with the arathi they will be going by that name and identity.

I think it may going to happen. There’s some flavour text in Telogrus with Sin’dorei explaining they’re here because the elves should never have joined the Horde, that magisters betrayed them with their fancy and political wording, etc…
I don’t know if they’re going to be playable in the end, but it will be more likely treated in Midnight.

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Sounds like a traitor who needs to be reported to the guards for a brainwashing sesh

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That’s Priest Ennas and Lyria Skystrider.

They were part of a scene in the Burning Crusade in Silvermoon where they decried their people joining the Horde. Priests were summoned in to mind control them, thus shutting them up. It was meant to illustrate how the Blood Elves had become ruthless in keeping order during the extreme times of having no Sunwell. The scene gained notoriety.

It is less about forecasting playable Alliance High Elves and more about catching up with two NPCs that some people may remember from years past. Of course they are bitter about what happened to them. What they do prove is that Void Elves can turn other Elves into Void Elves though, as they are now Void Elves.

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On the Garrison comparison: The Garrisons were not player housing, as such your comparison breaks down. This particular Duck was in fact a Turkey. Again, they were a call back to Warcraft RTS base building. You had workers gathering resources. You placed buildings. You are attempting to insist they were a precursor to player housing to support your argument with Void Elves possibly being a precursor to High Elves. I don’t accept the comparison and I think you’re not only scraping the barrel in an attempt to force it, you’ve gone through the barrel, the floor, the layers of earth beneath the floor and are now approaching the bedrock.

On the feedback: And once again, you have loaded your response with loads of non-comparable items to try and justify your point.

Transmogrifications were an inevitability, most MMOs allow you control over the appearance of your character in some fashion, some of which predated transmogrification in Warcraft and which didn’t rely on Warcraft fans to suggest.
Falstad was brought back because red shirt guy identified a discrepancy in the lore and it was corrected and it became a viral moment. It was corrected because it was pointed out that it was wrong and they had nothing against adding mounts or the Pandaren (who were slated to be the Alliance race in TBC originally).

Now where I should have been clearer when I said Fan contributions are fan fiction and of no meaning, is that I really mean that in relation to this particular request. On the one hand, you say Blizzard has a track record of acting on feedback. On the other hand, you keep pointing out you’ve waited twenty years for this. But you never want to bring those facts together because I believe you don’t like the conclusion that is drawn…IF you’ve been offering feedback on this for as many years as you have…and IF they’ve not acted on it…the conclusion drawn is that they themselves don’t want to do it. You have proven it is possible to only yourself and those who share your belief.

On the High Elves who were gung ho to join the Alliance: That I believe is the origin of the Silver Covenant. One of the aspects of that organisation I really should highlight more is that they are treated as some kind of comprehensive organisation drawing from all walks of life when in reality they are mostly exiled Farstriders with a smattering of members from other classes. They are so heavily Hunter dominated that they were represented at the Hunter Class Hall.
Now, those High Elves who signed up with the Alliance were the token force Anasterian sent to assist the Alliance when Lothar invoked the blood oath the Elves had pledged to his bloodline. Anasterian sent a token force comprising those Elves who WANTED to help the Alliance to get them out of his hair and so he could argue he had fulfilled his oath. It was not a significant section of the population either, it was mostly Farstriders for a reason. Loners who stalked the outskirts of Quel’thalas, away from Silvermoon, hunting Trolls and most likely to encounter Humans and Dwarves entering their lands. Whilst not officially stated, it isn’t too hard to speculate why Farstrider Lodge in Loch Modan exists and why it is mostly full of Dwarves.
And while Alleria was the leader, and I have to remind you she is no longer a High Elf.
The main character of the Worldsoul Saga is the face of the Void Elves.

On the Lightforged Draenei: So the Lightforged ONLY have a suite of unique skin tones, eye colours, unique light tattoos that lorewise are the product of their lightforging, a backstory that emphasises the fact that they are lightforged and millenia upon millenia of separation from other Draenei where they journeyed with the Naaru whilst battling the Legion. Look, I am not a fan of the Allied race system, I think it is a transparent method of creating uninspiring sub-races that are only marginally different from their parent race that would have been better served by being put onto their parent races as extra customisations, but EVERY single Allied race that has a parent is in some way meaningfully different from that parent.

On the Zandalari you should read the Vol’Jin novel where he is captured by and spends some time with the Zandalari Trolls, where he notes how different they seem to other Trolls. He is the one who termed them ‘the high elves of Trolls’ as he observed them. That and the millenia of separation from the other Troll tribes and the development of their golden civilization in Dazar’alor means that they are meaningfully different.

High Elves fail because they don’t have a unique culture, they are exiled from their homeland, not a separate race. They are not biologically distinct, all the Blood Elves did was drain mana from vermin…the High Elves drained it from relics they found. They BOTH feed on the Sunwell, the same Light-Arcane energy source. And the fel excuse you keep reverting to was extremely limited. The average Alliance Warlock has probably dabbled with the Fel to a greater degree than any non Warlock/Demon Hunter Blood Elf and they aren’t excluded from their respective races. We know what a fel mutated Blood/High Elf becomes. They become Felblood Elves. There are horns.

On using a disagreement as the basis: You are citing real world examples when that isn’t the problem. The issue is what you are demanding is de facto making a core race of the Horde neutral and being able to share a fantasy that has been restricted to the Horde faction for nearly two decades open to the Alliance. This is a problem because the game, like it or not, is predicated on two mutually antagonistic factions and it is profoundly unfair to demand a major component of one faction be opened to the other. You will note that Void Elves and Nightborne, the only allied races whose parents are on the opposite faction, have been profoundly changed from those parents. In fact, culturally both are as far from their parents as you can probably get, they are not just meaningfully different, but PROFOUNDLY different. Nightborne are urban, arcane loving elves in contrast to the woodland, nature orientated Night Elves. Void Elven culture, nascent and limited as it is, is predicated entirely on the void in contrast to the light that is now the dominat theme of the Blood Elves. We have riftblades, riftwalkers and shadowguards in place of Blood Knights and Farstriders. About the only title they share is Magister.

On the Dates: The difference between four and six is miniscule, but my source was Warcraft Wiki which I believe is more up to date. Also, I was counting from when the Blood Elves were told of how to drain mana and use the fel, which happened the year after Warcraft 3 and which I then counted towards the end of the TBC. It was four years between the Battle of Mount Hyjal and the beginning of WoW, and it was another year till TBC, and most of another year for the events of TBC to take place, so we are talking 4-5 years for the Blood Elves to drain mana from vermin and use fel crystals in Silvermoon. Furthermore, Illidan pointed out that there was no cure for the addiction, they never went cold turkey. That’s why they were draining mana from vermin.

On the Eye colour change: Elven eyes are incredibly fickle. Some have regained their blue eyes. Some have gained golden eyes such as Liadrin. In other words, using the eye colour as a barometer of differentiation fails on two levels…firstly, it changes too often and secondly, as High Elves are connected to the same Sunwell the Blood Elves are feeding on (remember, same race!) then High Elf eyes will now have the same range as Blood Elves.

On the Lodges: Did you know if you look up Farstrider lodge on Warcraft Wiki there is only a single High Elf NPC listed there? I am going to just say it, it doesn’t count.
Allerian Stronghold is named after Alleria but that doesn’t mean it’s a thriving High Elf settlement. Most of the inhabitants are in fact Dwarves. And let’s not start inventing mysteriously missing High Elf settlements that could be uncovered, that isn’t going to happen.

On Void Elf customisations: I disagree, you want the game world to be bent in such a way that you can play how you want without consideration of how that impacts the rest of the player base and which disrespects the faction divide. Case in point, you talk about a set of customisations that can be ‘unlocked’. What more needs to be unlocked on Void Elves than what you already have? Is it red blood? How is that fair to Void Elf players who need to see a race they may actually prefer continually bastardised to be a vector for your fantasy simply because you don’t want to take the full fat High Elf fantasy on offer in the Horde?

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Thanks for the context, I didn’t know about their specific backstory. I’ll add there’s also generic unnamed blood elves npc who joined the VE in their pursue of knowledge.

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The high elves firstly disagreed with joining the Horde. He exiled them to make sure they can’t start a rebellion to overthrow him over political allegiance.

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The High Elves were exiled long before the Blood Elves made any attempts at joining the Horde. It was solely related to the High Elves protesting against the usage of Life-Draining.

If you’re going to post 24/7, atleast learn your lore by taking a break from ragebaiting on the forums and read on the wiki. <3

Becoming wretched is due to an excess of Magic, rather than a lack of it. High Elves abstained from Magic-usage for the most part precisely to avoid the Wretched effects, as well as the moral imperative of not causing undue suffering onto others.

High elves dont exist anymore

There like human pets units in their rank

No city no village nothing. Zero culture

Maximum 2000 npcs lorewise

Vereesa gave up

No leader

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And the high elves were part of the alliance for like 5 minutes while the majority instantly bailed out. You are the one without lore knowledge.

The High Elves lived as neighbours to the Humans, Dwarves and Gnomes for thousands of years. They sometimes even formed families with Humans (see: Half-Elves and 2nd Arathi Empire) and lived in the wilds with the Dwarves.

Culturally, they were all very clearly part of the same civilization, much like different nations within modern day Europe.

The Horde, meanwhile?

Well, the High Elves waged war with the Forest Trolls for a very long time. Later, the Old Horde invaded Azeroth and threatened to destroy the Eastern Kingdoms, sacking neighbouring kingdoms, enslaving the noble dragons and raising the dead like Death Knight. Not to mention bringing Fel magic and demons to the battlefield.

Literally the forces of evil, from an Azerothian’s point of view.

Now, Arthas’ scourge was terrible and crushed Quel’Thalas. Garithos was clearly a racist prick. Truly a terrible time for the elves.

But to suggest that their natural ally after all of that is the Horde, is just laughable. Especially considering Garithos represented scattered Lordaeron forces, not Stormwind or the dwarven kingdoms.

The High Elves could easily have sought help from any number of kingdoms, including Dalaran, Gilneas and Kul Tiras, or Ironforge.

Heck, they could even have sought the aid of the Wildhammer dwarves of Northeron.

One human did more damage then all Orcs. You fail again. Accept the current lore and stop living in the past.

Which they didn’t do cuz Blizzard says so.

“One human”.

I doubt anybody on Azeroth viewed the Lich King as a Human at that point. He represented the Undead

alliance fans love to whietewash the crimes their former leaders committet. No bad image ever fall on high elves or humans right? Cuz you live in their buts 24/7.

It’s actually quite easy to check that he’s still called human even after the fall of Quel’Thalas, for example by Illidan, or the Dreadlords:

Detheroc: This isn’t over, human.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/King_Arthas_(WC3_Undead)#Transcript

Illidan Stormrage: You reek of death, human. You’ll regret approaching me.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/A_Destiny_of_Flame_and_Sorrow_(WC3_NightElf)

–EDIT–
Come to think of it, Quel’Thalas got destroyed by a human, marching in front of an army of both living (necromancers) and undead humans, set on a mission to resurrect yet another human (Kel’Thuzad)

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You need to check your lore knowledge.

Arthas is a human until he sit on the frozen throne. He died on the frozen throne and the lich king maintain his life as an undead.

Its a human prince who slaughtered the quel’dorei people.
Its a human high officer who jailed blood elves in purpose to execute them
Its a famous human mage woman who commited a blood elves genocide in dalaran

humans, in WoW, are evil and absolutely not quel’dorei friends.

HE fan club must heal their brain and get back to Silvermoon in blood elves ranks

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I always think it’s rich that Blood Elves call High Elves and Void Elves traitors.

Lorewise the remaining High Elves were exiled by Lor’Themar, as he didn’t want to deal with people who wanted to stay true to their traditions and honor.
Void Elves got exiled for the simple reason they were considered a danger to the Sunwell.

So, how did they betray the Blood Elves? Other than the Blood Elves basically saying: if you don’t pick option a, you are a traitor?

The only one who betrayed their own kin are the Blood Elves themselves by their historic actions. Spare me the moral high ground you cling to.

The tragedy that happened to the High Elven race is what it is, but to call one of the other a traitor is rich.

A small quote for the Blood Elves from CANNON LORE:

“A few days later, Lor’themar journeyed to Quel’Lithien Lodge in the Plaguelands, where he visited those High Elves he had exiled for refusing to suck arcane magic from living creatures. He spoke with Ranger Lord Hawkspear and Aurora Skycaller, shocking them with the news of Kael’thas’s betrayal and death and the Sunwell’s restoration. Now that the Blood Elves no longer had to rely on draining magic from living creatures, Lor’themar’s intention was make amends, offering aid and supplies. Hawkspear was not having any, still blaming Lor’themar for banishing them in the first place, and angry that the Blood Elves’ new undead allies in the form of Nathanos Blightcaller had attacked the lodge. He even threatened to kill Lor’themar and send his head to Sylvanas.”

So talking about traitors, the only traitors lorewise are the Blood Elves and the Forsaken.

After they smuggled an ancient Mogu Weapon from Darnassus, through the Sunreavers their help, via Dalaran to Ogrimmar, thank you for including the Blood Elves their betrayal before you took the moral highground again.
Also thank you for including the fact that Jaina told them to leave or be removed by force.
Those who refused and rebelled got imprisoned in the violet hold or unfortunately lost their lives.

Ah yes, the racist human general who hated anything else but humans, including dwarves. We are talking about the human kingdom of Stormwind, not Lordaeron aka the now Forsaken.

Of Lordaeron, not the humans of Stormwind.

So yes, there is a fanclub that needs to heal their brains and it are the Blood Elves.

Let me tell you about this thing called Frostmourne, and the Helm of Domination. It’ll blow your mind once you learn about them.

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