Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race - 2024 (Part 1)

I don’t think it is lead by the draenei, but a group of them did settle there and she is THEIR leader.

Also while the lodge in-game might not have named HE there are three named characters tied to the place one of which is a rare spawn.
Voldana, Ravic and Jalinde Summerdrake.

Draenei
Led by Ambassador Rualeth, quite a few young draenei (Tracker Yoro among them) settled in Quel’Danil to train in the ways of the Light and enjoy the peaceful beauty of the land. They are under the charge of Anchorite Traska.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Quel%27Danil_Lodge

I was refering to this, I was stating that this take of absolutism simply does not hold up.

What you quoted there is not an opinion I state, its a fact anyone can observe by simply looking around and seeing people use high elf customizations with helf themed transmogs, happens more in RP then with content, but it still happens.

That is the logical conclusion to my ‘for some it was enough’ yes.

Honestly with how they’ve treated gilneas, how the story is no longer split between factions, how can you be confident that it is unlikely? I’m genuinely worried they’ll just leave us with a less statisfying post situation for quelthalas elves in general (velf helf and belf) with the unification.

That’s a fair take to have, I won’t fault anyone for keeping hope, personally I am on the side of if not now then when, I doubt they’ll be coming back to elves narratively after this expac for a while after 3 expansions of nelf and now 1 of belf

Another possible outcome, but thats kind of the point we can’t really put a finger on what the unification will mean and my arguement is, it might not be what people want it to be.

Gilneas wasn’t, arathi wasn’t.

We are drawing from the same source, which lists the Draenei as a seperate leader to an unknown Highvale elf leader, suggesting it could be Jalinde Summerdrake.

Whats are you trying to say?

Stop suggesting

You re not dev or else

Fact is :

Led by draenei
0 HE named npc

There’s also this guy in SoD (who kind of goes against the comic lore of Highvale abandoning Arcane):
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Magister_Falath

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Is this bait?

Leader(s)
Unknown (Highvale elves)
Anchorite Traska (Draenei)

Right at the top of the page
listed under leaders with an unknown HE leader.

Named quel’dorei inhabitants are Voldana and Ravic. Jalinde Summerdrake is assumed to be one of its leaders.

Says so under high elves on the same page.
:dracthyr_shrug:

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I ll check in the game

Well its another names for my list btw

So ye old funny fact.
I was browsing another thread elsewhere and the topic of High Elven numbers came up.
The short of it amounts to.
someone did the math on the number of remaining blood elves, based off a throw away line in TBC (which I think has been retconned in the sylvanas book, not sure).
But with 90% of the population dead, and of those 10%, another 90% renamed themselves blood elves, the total number of remaining blood elves were around 1,481.
now of that remaining 10% which remained high elves, their numbers would be around 148.1.
Which isn’t a lot.
Now considering if this is true, which i doubt it is as I said I think it got retconned, the High elf population should be closer to the singel digits at the start of midnight, as combind, I am almost certain the horde have had quest objectives to kill more than that plus other events such as dalarans fall which would have killed even more.

Its a ye old fun fact, if blizzard could count, High elves would be gone.

How it feels right now reading this thread.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/08/05/us/05onfire1_xp/05onfire1_xp-superJumbo-v2.jpg

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They got the math wrong.

The throwaway line is about Sunfury army that assaulted Kirin´var numbering in thousands, which resulted in people doing the math and coming to absolute minimal (and unrealistic) number of high elves being 1481 (as they represent 10% of surviving Thalassian elves, while Sunfury represented 15% of blood elves).

This number however relies on:

  1. Sunfury somehow losing zero people in Lordaeron, Outland, Northrend (impossible, as San´layn exist) and then in assault against Tempest Keep.
  2. Assault on Kirin´var happening before Scryers left them.
  3. Sunfury deploying in full numbers, meaning that they abandoned every base they held and brought everyone to this assault.
  4. “Thousands” meaning only 2k elves rather than far more realistic higher number.

Realistically, there must have been thousands upon thousands of high elves scattered across Azeroth while the number of blood elves would be at least in tens of thousands.

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And you still no playable without using the smurf elf model, after 18 years.

And its not gonna change.

Not my will or opinion, just facts.

I don’t think Kael would take more than maybe 4-5 thousands with him for a simple reasons of logistic infeasibility. You need to feed and shelter those numbers and that’s difficult task plus I don’t think Garirthos’ Renmants would be in massively larger numbers they’d need to be to contain the Elves when they were accused of treason.

What we do know however is that at least initially (as the WoW lore tends to do 180 every 2-3 years especially when Blizzard releases another Chronicle Book ) Numbers of “High Elves” were below Gnomeregan Refugees and High Elves are considered extremely rare sight.

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No one asked for Blood Elf infused with the void. Its not a take of absolutism, just a fact. They did not exist in the lore.

And I also do use them, does not mean I’m satisfied with it, because its not the High Elf fantasy we (HE fans) want in our mmoRPG.

Then if the story is not split between factions, why have factions at all? why have arbitrary rules? Its an even more radical step than the one I’m asking for.

I agree if not now, when? If blizzard decides never its their prerogative, as it is where I will spend my money. But there is a market for it as a private server recently proved.

Well that’s the story we will discover in midnight. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

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The source? A community manager. From 2005 and stopped working for Blizzard in 2006. Who wasn’t involved in anything with the game other than managing the forums. It’s clear that her vision differs from what the actual developers set into the game starting with TBC onwards. :slight_smile:

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Yea people aren’t actually questioning whether or not high elves are popular. They’re afraid of them being TOO popular and making other races obsolete

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EU/US is about ~ 5’000’000 players

Blood elves playerbase is 14,3% = 715 000

Blood elves paladins are 3,4% = 170 000 * (In this group we can have High Elves players who want to play paladin but cannot chose alliance - or maybe not)

Void elves playerbase is 4,6% = 230 000 **

my own experience is : 3/4 VE model are HE who want to play in alliance
then ~ 172 500 (own xp - not ultimate reality)

my own experience is : I never saw heard/chat with a blood elf paladin who identifies himself as a HE (own xp - not ultimate reality)

We can then say with a very very large approximation that there are ~ 175,000 High elves players : 3,5% of the playerbase so not a big group.

Conclusion : 3,5% of the playerbase who already play with a specific model (void elf) are asking for a new race who is biologicaly the same as blood elves and very probably with same racial skills.

*In this group we can have High Elves players who want to play paladin but cannot chose alliance - or maybe not
** In this group we can’t easily say who is a HE player but we can admit that each fair skin VE we see is a HE player.

Which hasn’t been contradicted since.

Gnomes are more numerous than Alliance High Elves in spite of the damage they suffered when Gnomeregan fell. We know this because we see Gnomes all over Alliance bases, whereas reading through this thread it seems when a new High Elf NPC is found it is a ‘stop the presses moment’ and Gnomes are a major Alliance race, whereas as recently as 2018 the lack of Alliance High Elves has been cited as the lore reason they aren’t playable (the more important gameplay reason being High Elves are already playable. In two different flavour no less).

The funny thing is you’ve gotten your attacks lined up for each blue post or developer interview there is as to why they don’t matter. ‘Oh it was a long time ago’…‘oh it is only one person’…‘oh they weren’t that important (do you really think Caydiem would have made that post without checking with the people in charge of the story by the way and that she just went off a solo run? She wasn’t Tseric)’ or ‘oh maybe they’ve changed their mind’ or ‘oh the two Alliance High Elf NPCs that showed up in the latest patch show they are still a valuable and strong part of the Alliance’. Plenty of rote responses trotted out to points that have been debated for nearly a decade but you know what?

I will take having to defend every single developer post as to why Alliance High Elves aren’t playable over having nothing tangibly in support as it is on your side of the argument.

I think you’re going a bit off the rails my dude. First of all what other blue posts or developer interviews have I had “attacks lined up for” so far?

Second, why are you so defensive when somebody points out that the High Elves have featured in WoW more strongly than the Gnomes by this point in terms of patches? And that a Community Manager’s post from somebody who worked for one year, in 2005, isn’t indicative of a trend. Twitter/forum posts aren’t canon, nor indicative of anything other than intentionality. And idk what intentionality you can gleam from a forum moderator.

Even with that interview from 2018, you have to go almost a decade back to find arguments against them. Which is kind of ehh, truthfully. :frowning:

Thirdly, speaking of devs and twitter posts, a current Senior Developer posed a perfectly inocuous question about playable High Elves recently and what mount they’d have. It’s the first time they’ve publically entertained the notion of playable High Elves. So who knows. :slight_smile:

I’m still waiting for my 1 million gold btw. I know you’ve changed the goalposts about High Elves not existing (L0L), but the High Elves are going to feature at the start of Midnight. And the western part of the Ghostlands will be Alliance-inhabited, with the south-western sliver being strictly Alliance.

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How have Alliance High Elves featured more strongly in WoW than Gnomes at this point? We have had multiple instances of Gnome participation in the game across multiple expansions in multiple areas.
A constant presence in multiple Alliance bases across multiple expansions whereas each time there’s an Alliance High Elf NPC there are literally forum posts about it. I mean the refugees from Dalaran in Dornogal were almost a cause for celebration.
There are multiple named Gnome characters we have made contact with over the years whereas the only Alliance High Elf of note is Veressa Windrunner (and people tended to remember her because of her far more famous sisters).

No, this is grasping if you imagine that Gnomes are somehow less important to the storyline than Alliance High Elves. It’s a perfect example of what I term absolutist headcanon. You have such an image of what you think Alliance High Elves SHOULD be that you have started asserting, without much in the way of evidence, that the game actually shows that when it doesn’t. It really doesn’t.

Furthermore, there you go again attacking the people who made the posts. Again, do you REALLY think Caydiem made up the lore on a whim? Please be realistic, she would have checked with the people who knew before answering that particular question. And Ion’s answers in 2018 reinforced that there simply aren’t very many Alliance High Elves left.

As I said in my original answer, do you not find it a bit ‘ehh’ yourself that the only way you can engage with the official statements on Alliance High Elves is to attack and discredit the people who made those statements because not one person has ever made a statement that could ever indicate they were happening? I mean even when it comes to Ion, who as Game Director is a lot more difficult to dismiss, you are resorting to the ‘it was nearly a decade ago!’ card.

So?

Has it been discredited since? Have Alliance High Elves been added as playable and we all failed to notice? Have they featured in a major way in the story and we all missed it?

The only thing that retcons a previously made statement from ANY Blizzard employee is an update that explicitly changes what was said. Time passing does not make what they said any less true otherwise, no matter how much you may wish that to be the case.

As for that senior developer, you are aware that they asked about High Elves for classic+ right in a recent survey. Until proven otherwise, that is where I expect that particular query to ultimately have relevance.