Tbf the Void Elves are exiled blood elves.
Umbric was a BE magister.
Curious to see how the story is going to unfold.
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To no offense I wouldn’t be surprised if large portion of Silver Covenant was dead considering the attack on Dalaran and its destruction. They are ultimately an armed force that did insert itself close to Kirin Tor due to Varessa’s husband being the Archmage at the time.
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you were talking a week ago about how there’s a few hundred High Elves left in existence, and that the Blood Elves are in the thousands too. No surprise you’d think all of the “few hundred High Elves left in existence” died in Dalaran or something. :))))
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It seems a massive presumption that High Elves and the SC are taking a more distant role ‘at the start’ as that seemingly plays to your own hopes that they will play a bigger role in the story.
Is it not more likely that this distant role is what they are getting overall? Remember the overall story is about the Light and the Void as represented by the Blood Elves and Void Elves. Whilst Alliance High Elves are getting some story, at no point was it even implied that it would be equal to the big two.
The Alliance High Elves aren’t even mentioned in the blurb for the upcoming lorewalking which is focusing on how the Blood Elves and the Void Elves.
This is exactly right, that is precisely what they are. A paramilitary force comprised mostly of former farstriders, some Mages and a few other classes given a berth in Dalaran becasue that is where their leader’s husband was in charge.
And if anyone thinks they didn’t take losses when the city fell, and this is the one group that cannot afford losses, that is simple wish fulfilment. Given we were told there were barely any of these guys left two decades ago I would not be surprised if Silverglade Refuge is all that is left of them, though I do expect there will be SOME datamined NPCs from the old tournament grounds for the Last Titan (and I do mean SOME).
Your words. They will play some part on the story. Like Xyraxes said, to an extent. Unless the scattered elven tribes are blood elves and blood elves exiles. Thats poor writing. Vereesa involvement makes me believe otherwise.
I play Alliance. Im already used to poor content on the Horde game. Hopefully blizzard will remember thay big dranei spaceship full of Light infused Warriors 
I wonder why they dont turn all gold every 30 seconds…
I feel like you didn’t finish typing.
Nd not too worried about that. Its just a light introduction to the lore. Its Blood Elf lore hence why you have the Void Elves (exiled Blood Elves).
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Some part of the story has never been confirmed to be a major part of the story, and as traditionally happens with this subject matter (when even the datamining of a single High Elf npc leads to breathless cheers in some parts) you are letting your imaginations run riot when the reality is likely to be far more limited.
Veressa, as always, is involved not becasue she is a High Elf but because she is part of the Windrunner family.
And the lorewalking is a statement of intent. The Ethereal lorewalking questline acquainted players with all the relevant story beats for K’areash. The elf one, similarly, is focusing on the Blood Elves and the Void Elves.
I think a good portion of the lodges refusing to join tbf blood elves was also due to the mana tapping and possibly the fel use.
It does speak to high elf morals that they wouldn’t stoop so low, but blood elves might counter argue that many of the high elves were living among magic rich humans so they aren’t in much of a position to criticise…
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There is no such thing as high elf morals, merely individual choice. The surviving Alliance High Elves were predominantly Farstriders or Mages. The Former Farstriders were those used to living in the wilds of Quel’thalas in isolation from the rest of their kind and had the least to do with magic regardless. And it is hard to argue that they had a superior morality when Quel’Lithien lodge was destroyed by them finding an artifact full of seductive power and being consumed by it…https ://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Wretched_Hive_of_Scum_and_Villainy.
It’s like condemning family members for smoking a certain drug whilst you then jump head first into a big pile of powder which is a more potent drug you stumble across (thankyou forum filters).
And yes, the Mages in Dalaran who later joined the Silver Covenant were able to sate their cravings through the use of the plentiful arcane magics present in that city. They never really faced the hunger their comrades did.
High Elf morality is an invention, and one doubled down upon across years of arguments to reinforce this idea that Alliance High Elves are more ‘noble’ than Blood Elves, part of a failed attempt to use bearing as a differentiating factor in debates.
It’s admitedly a bit of a misconception. None of the Elves had any idea that the techniques brought back by Rommath involved Fel Magic at that point, including Rommath himself. Same goes for the Fel Crystals that ended up irradiating the Blood Elves thereafter passively, without them knowing and causing their eyes to become green.
High Elves - including the Silver Covenant make use of Fel and have Warlocks in their ranks. So it has never been strictly about “fel = bad”, but moreso that Blood Elves were set upon a needlessly evil path.
Their dissent was owed to two things. First, it is apparently a very painful process to inflict Mana-Siphoning onto others, which made the High Elves abhor it completely. And secondly - it wasn’t needed, since Elves can live just fine without Magic, and the reliance on Kael’thas’ techniques only exacerbated and created a Mana addiction issue in the shape of the Wretched epidemic.
In the end, the High Elves were proven right, and despite having been banished into the wilds with nothing to spare - lived arguably far better lives abroad for it. They didn’t need to deal with a police state, brainwashing or insane Blood Knights. Much like how the Void Elves are proven right again. Guess there’s something narratively about Blood Elves having to always be in the wrong?
It’s more similar to realizing that you have a drug problem, and choosing to abstain and manage it as best as you can, rather than indulging it to the point of impaling yourself with Mana Crystals - as per the Blood of the Highborne story. Likewise, the Quel’lithien Lodge was initially designed as sabotage carried out by Rommath, who planted out that artifact to kill them all.
The Rommath cultist plot did not make it past Cataclysm beta however, but the Quel’lithien part remained. I imagine that, given how Rommath is shaping up to be in Midnight, it’s not out of the realm of possibility for that plot to resurface, and shed further light on Quel’lithien.
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That plot was aborted and as such is not canon. Nothing can be inferred from it. What was left in the game is something that points out a startling hypocrisy in the Quel’Lithien elves. Perhaps they weren’t quite as strong as managing their addiction as you would like to believe? Their dead bodies and the ruination of the lodge definitely point to that…
Besides, Rommath’s characterisation has evolved in recent years. His storming of Dalaran, saving many Blood Elf lives during the purge cemented him as a bit of a badass all whilst it confirmed his mistrust of Dalaran. That and his mistrust of the void which was similarly borne out. Basically I am far more likely to LISTEN to Rommath than ignore him given how right he often is.
Rommath gonna be the first Void Elf on the Horde, ill bet ya a fel crystal. The old trope of becoming what he despises. Not gonna go into spoilers here tho from the Arator quest.
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Fel use played no role in the exile. It’s stated that only the returned Blood Elf Warlocks were aware of the true nature of the fel crystals.
What the High Elf exiles took issue with was mana tapping which is, for all intensive purposes, is an Arcane Magical practice. Controversial, yes…but not fel-related.
Neither side was right or wrong.
The Silvermoon Blood Elves are the ones who defended, remained and stayed within their homes so it didn’t fall to either the Scourge or the Amani. The reason we have such a glorious Silvermoon City in Midnight is thanks to those controversial, yet necessary methods, during TBC.
The High Elves’ magic addiction has not simply gone away…it still exists and the High Elf Rangers at Quel’Lithien are proof of that. What they preached to Lor’themar was nothing because they became the exact horrors that became the Sunfury Loyalists to Sunstrider…no better even, as some of those High Elf Wretched even had fel taints.
In the end, both sides had their points of view, but what I will say is that the Blood Elf way was more controversial, but it promoted more certain survival. The High Elf way did not guarantee survival, but it was far more moral and in line with their Highborne ancestors who were exiled by Malfurion.
Very few in number, very few Arcanists and Priests…majority were just scattered Rangers
None of what you write checks out on this, sorry. The Blood Elves survived in spite of turning into a dystopian police state that was bordering on irredeemably evil. At no point is it ever stated that they endured because of it. The entire Sunwell patch revolves around this premise. Everything that they did in TBC was counter-productive and stupid. And it took the intervention and sacrifice of an Angellic being to absolve them of their crimes.
It is also why Kael’thas and the memory of all those controversial methods have been wiped clean off in Midnight’s Silvermoon City, and why there is a sense of shame and atonement that permeates the modern day Blood Knights, as well as the rest of Quel’thalas.
Also feels like you’re not grasping the game’s chronology right, so you’d best read up on it. The Sunwell had already been reactivated by the time that Quel’lithien fell. At no point was it magical addiction (since all of that was already sated by the Sunwell), but instead they woke up with the equivalent of a magic WMD morphing them all off through radiation. The High Elves’ magic addiction had simply gone away by that point, same way the Blood Elves’ did because they were sustained by the Sunwell.
If you think that being poisoned and killed off constitutes as “overdosing on Mana”, go right ahead lol.
The High Elf’s relation to Magic is explored by Vereesa’s Day of the Dragon, and while it was initially difficult to get over, she did so just fine with the love of her children and Rhonin.
Maybe we’ve played different games, but outside of the Lodges themselves (which Quel’danil seems to be ruled by Magisters to a degree btw), just about every High Elf we see is a Mage. Dalaran’s population was visibly High Elven to a degree. And that’s not counting the Silver Covenant. Stormwind’s High Elves are all Mages. And the Alliance milltary’s expedition to Khaz Algar was filled out by non Silver Covenant High Elves.
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It doesn’t matter how you view it. You can be as racist and as hateful as you want towards the Blood Elves…the fact is, they are the ones who remained in Silvermoon and kept it standing in the name of the Thalassian Elves.
This isn’t really about the lore for you…it’s more about which method you personally prefer, from an out of world perspective.
What the Sin’dorei did is not really any different to the methods of the Shen’dralar…in fact, the latter is SO MUCH WORSE! Because in order to gain and retain more power, the Shen’dralar actively were murdering their own people. The Sin’dorei methods were so much tamer by comparison.
So please don’t make out as though everything the Blood Elves in Silvermoon did was a net-negative, because overall…they are the ones who kept Quel’Thalas in the hands of the Thalassian Elves.
And she is just one…it’s obvious that the Quel’Lithien Rangers never got over it.
The only one in Stormwind is a Ranger as far as I go…unless you count Magus Soulgaze, who I count more as a Warlock > Mage.
My dude, can you comprehend that the Sunwell was restored in TBC, and Quel’lithien fell in Cataclysm, yes? :))))
There hasn’t been any magic addiction post-Sunwell for either BElves or HElves, because they’re all sustained by its power. It’s not rocket science.
Yeah, and the Blood Elves are ashamed of their past in Midnight, to the point they’ve largely outlawed Demonology and removed any traces of the Sunfury regime and its followers - as they understand that their path was destructive and nearly caused a 3rd Demon Invasion to occur. I’m glad that you agree with me.
You’ll have a field day seeing that they’re not proud, nor happy of what they did in TBC, and that none of that helped them survive. I sure did enjoy seeing it on the Alpha last week.
I don’t know who Soulgaze is? But there’s 4 High Elven Sorceresses in the Mage Quarter, and a Ranger in Stormwind’s Keep.
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They can be ashamed of it, just like the Alliance Shen’dralar can be ashamed of their past and what they did to their own people, but for the former - they still saved and kept Silvermoon out of the reach of the real enemies to QT at the time, as in - Amani and Scourge.
The Shen’dralar did it far worse because not only did they brutally murder their own people, their city fell to ruin.
The Sorceresses must be so irrelevant that I missed them, to be honest. I only know of two in Stormwind and the rest are just dotted around the EK, mainly taking up the mantle of being rangers.
No, that is 100% wrong.
The Sunwell is the cause for the addiction. The High Elves and Blood Elves are addicted to the Sunwell…that’s what happened when Arthas had it corrupted. They had become addicted to the Well, just like their Highborne ancestors were in Zin’Azshari.
The return and renewal of the Sunwell never cured the addiction…the Elves just go back to their old ways of living, as they did when they were Quel’dorei and Sylvanas was Ranger General.
This new Sunwell isn’t and never has served the same purpose as the Arcan’dor. Thas’Alah never served the same purpose as the Arcan’dor.
The Elves aren’t free of their addiction…far from it. They are still addicted to the Arcane powers and magic of the Sunwell. It’s potentially, only the Void Elves who might be free of the addiction to the Sunwell, but we don’t know…I think so, but we don’t know that one.
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That’s why, essentially - Quel’Lithien High Elves are no better than the Sunblade and Felbloods under Kael’thas on Quel’Danas. They gave into their addictions and…they aren’t any better than the Silvermoon Blood Elves, in the long term.
okokok lemme put it in an easier way for you
so, if the sunwell is active, and sustains any and all elves with magic regardless of where in the universe they might be.
how are the high elves of quel’lithien still feeling the desire and hunger pangs 4 or 5 years after the Sunwell’s reactivation?
Also here’s a paraphrasing from Shadow of the Sun: “Almost immediately after its restoration, the addiction pangs of both the blood elves and their high elven kin were relieved.”
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Sustaining them doesn’t mean “addiction free.” It just means addiction is there, because they’ve just gone back to their previous way of life…when it’s been confirmed that they were and still are addicted to the Sunwell. They were and still are, addicted to the magic and power it provides them.
The addiction pangs was their whole thing of mana-tapping during TBC. They were so hopelessly addicted to the Sunwell and to the Arcane, that they were settling for any other forms of sating their addiction. Now, the addiction is back and relived, but just accepted because it’s a core part of the Blood Elf and High Elf character.
It’s nothing bad that they are still addicted to it’s power and to the Arcane…it’s a core part of their character and gives them an identity which is separate from the Night Elves, who adopted Druidism and the Shen’dralar Exiles meditated their way off Fel Magic and the Nightborne who are also still addicted to using Arcane Magic, but no longer reliant solely on the Nightwell because the Arcan’dor cured that side of their addiction.
Naga are the only ones who are also addicted to magic…but as far as I know, have no cure for it. They are just addicted
With all due respect. I think you should read up on this article since you’re under the delusion that Blood Elves are still stuck in TBC-era days? Just press F3 and type in “addict” - and you’ll get all the information you need.
htt ps://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Blood_elf
Once again, you’re just making stuff up on the fly. The Night Elves continue to rely and are sustained by Arcane through the Second Well of Eternity, as well as the Moonwells that dot their lands. The Nightborne aren’t addicted to Arcane Magic either, that was the whole point of the Arcan’dor. And idk where you’ve pulled the Shen’dralar “Exiles” from? (Why are you even calling them exiles?).
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