Wowwiki was abandoned years ago, wowpedia is the same. Use Warcraft Wiki but remember, it is open to editing to anyone. I remember one time during the BFA debate over this (the last time it spiked) when people for and against got into an argument over what the High Elf capital would be. The point was every other meaningful race has a capital, so the fact Alliance High Elves didn’t have one was proof they weren’t a meaningful race.
So someone in favour updated it to Dalaran.
Then someone against reverted it back. Triggered an edit war on Wowpedia. The mods THERE got involved.
But the Silver Covenant really don’t have the numbers. I mean, objectively, Dalaran got detonated and they are a group who REALLY can’t afford losses. That is why I think Silverglade Refuge is the last place for them, somewhere to put them canonically post Dalaran before the story moves past them forever.
Ok, here’s an exercise in logic.
Blood elves are High Elves, right?
But High Elves do not have a rich lore.
Therefore, Blood Elves don’t have a rich lore?
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High Elves don’t have a Rich Lore that they would not share with Blood Elves. They have nothing interesting to them outside that. Which makes it hard for them to become a standalone race separate from Blood Elves.
So please stop twisting the words and logic to suit your needs.
If you want to make High Elves a separate race on Alliance side they need to similarly to other Allied Races have a meaningful difference between them and their “Parent” Race. Moreso if the race stands on the opposite side to their Parent.
This is why Nightborne are even more severely addicted to Arcane Magic than Blood Elves - to differentiate them from Night Elves who accepted some of the remaining Highbornes back in their fold.
This is why Void Elves were created. To make a Thalassian Elves meaningfully different from Blood Elves. They researched Void as a potential solution, got warped by it and In return for Alleria’s teachings supported the Alliance.
I’m not twisting a single thing. You can’t say that Blood Elves are High Elves, but then turn around and claim that that Blood Elves have a rich lore while the High Elves do not.
If A = B and B = C, the argument must stipulate that A = C. That is basic logic.
So the dilemma is, if Blood Elves are High Elves and the High Elves don’t have rich history while the Blood Elves do, either you have to accept that that this argument is illogical, or you have to accept that the High Elves are a different people, if they cannot claim the same history as their Blood Elf counterparts.
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Not what I said and I believe you know that.
You are trying to justify High Elves on the grounds they ‘have a rich lore’. But they don’t, they share that lore with Blood Elves and Blood Elves are already playable. High Elves are just a small band of exiles from the Kingdom of Quel’thalas.
Basically if you are trying to argue they have a rich lore because of what they share with Blood Elves…then Blood Elves already represent that and have a greater claim to it. There is no pressing need for a race with that lore to be added as one already has been. Two if you count Void Elves, who are now on their own path.
If you are trying to argue they have a rich lore separate from Blood Elves, well, they don’t. Twenty years living in Human cities doesn’t give them that.
If you are trying to argue that they have a rich lore and that Blood Elf lore only begins from the moment Blood Elves became Blood Elves and that the exiles have the true claim to history and the heritage, nobody is going to accept that and is a dead argument.
Whichever of the three possible meanings is at play here, none of them support the ‘High Elves have a rich lore’ argument which I read as ‘High Elf lore is unique and that is part of the reason they need to be playable’.
You can’t simultaneously declare that Blood Elves are High Elves, but also declare in the same breath that High Elves don’t have lore but Blood Elves do. It defies basic logic.
Blood Elves…then Blood Elves already represent that and have a greater claim to it. There is no pressing need for a race with that lore to be added as one already has been.
But you said Blood Elves are High Elves. Using your logic, the Blood Elves shouldn’t be in the game since they don’t have lore.
If you’re splitting hairs that High Elves are exiles and “traitors” you’re already admitting at they’re a different, distinct people.
And as I have said before, High Elves do have heritage going back to Quel’thalas, as do the Blood Elves, but where your argument falls apart is that there are High Elves from the Second War that still fight alongside the Alliance. How can Sin’dorei claim them when these High Elves do not claim to be Sin’dorei themselves? You can call Alleria, Vereesa, Taela, and Auric Blood Elves, but they won’t agree. Are you saying they’re wrong to identify themselves as they see fit?
If you are trying to argue that they have a rich lore and that Blood Elf lore only begins from the moment Blood Elves became Blood Elves and that the exiles have the true claim to history and the heritage, nobody is going to accept that and is a dead argument.
Says who?
Either Blood Elves are High Elves and they’re the same people with no lore, or they’re both different and whose respective identities are influenced by their choices. Pick one.
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I think you are deliberately missing the point.
So let’s go through it again from the beginning. High Elven lore is Blood Elven lore and Blood Elven lore is High Elven lore. It is a sequential story that began the moment they were exiled by the Night Elves and continues to the present day.
At one point in that story, they changed their name to Blood Elves to honor and memorialise the unspeakable losses their people had suffered at the hands of the Scourge. Some among them rejected the change of name and instead sided with other races, who later grew to become enemies of the Kingdom of Quel’Thalas.
These people are thus traitors by definition. I mean that is what is a traitor is, you side with a foreign government against your own. And, this is where I can bring in my own real world parallel, in the history of my country the worst thing you could be…worse than any other crime…was to be a traitor. I would never say they were a different people, because that would exempt them from facing the justice they deserved when previous generations got their hands on them. Some of their names are still blackened after centuries.
And that is at the end of the day all an Alliance High Elf is. A citizen of Quel’thalas who has betrayed their own people. Had they simply called themselves the Revolutionary Front for the restoration of Quel’Thalas to the Alliance it would probably be considerably clearer that that is all they are, but I guess saying ‘Silver Covenant’ has to do. And you are arguing that my argument ‘falls apart’ because these are individuals who fought for the Alliance during the second war and still do so.
And? What does that prove? Renzik fought beside the Alliance for a long time, doesn’t give the Alliance a claim on Goblins or mean that certain Goblins have a rich lore distinct from other Goblins based on that.
As for your final question, I am not sure how you reached that conclusion when the truth is obvious.
They’re the same people with the same lore. There is no ‘unique’ rich High Elven lore. They are not a distinct people. They are just traitors at odds with the current government. It’s like arguing the Defias Brotherhood are a unique people…
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Please stop hes already dead. 
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With the new footage of the revamped Quel’thalas, a new hub was discovered. It is the place that is present since vanilla. Now called Silverglade Refuge and looks suspiciously High Elven.
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That was a topic of discussion weeks ago. I am assuming it is where the last remnants of the Silver Covenant will be setting up shop with the destruction of Dalaran.
Its all but confirmed its an alliance exclusive hub, and it seems a few silver covenant NPC have been datamined in the files for that area.
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So basically a place where Those from Silver Covenant that survived the destruction of Dalaran got to set up their shop.
Yeah that is my take as well. Realistically the chances of Alliance High Elves being added is extremely tiny and this seems more like a narrative choice to give the Silver Covenant (who must have suffered casualties in the destruction of Dalaran and other battles over the years) a final place to be in the world. Maybe a few other races there as well, but we will see when the outpost is populated.
May see a few of them in Icecrown in the Last Titan at the old tournament grounds…which will be breathelessly pored over from the datamining in 2027…and then that’ll probably be it.
Crystalsong Forest, maybe?
Not sure if there’d be any reason to remain there…and I expect that zone to get a massive overhaul in TLT. The tournament grounds are the likeliest place. And we will get breathless “Look! High Elves! They’re a thing!” posts.
Well, the last we heard, we know that both the Sunreavers and Silver Covenant hold a presence there still, so I suspect that we should see something within the old Elven forest
I think some people don’t realise that probably a lot of high elves just returned to Silvermoon after the end of the faction wars and stayed there as blood elves.
We had a story touching on this before, stating the contrary.
Lor’themar offered amnesty onto the Sunfury and the High Elves. The Sunfury accepted and returned as an integrated part of Quel’thalas’ society. But the High Elves refused it on grounds of the Horde as well as the unjust (from their perspective) exile forced onto them. I don’t think we’ve ever had any mention of a High Elf that returned.
We do see something different in Midnight though, and it is that Void Elves are returning, while still being fully Alliance. Presumably the High Elves will do the same later in a patch, owing to it becoming neutral grounds.
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Hence the refuge i believe.
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The part with the refuge is that based off of the NPCs datamined, it doesn’t seem to be the Silver Covenant as a whole, but rather only its fleet making an appearance. Vereesa talks about returning to assist Quel’thalas, but she hasn’t really been present in any capacity just yet in the questing, nor any of the Silver Covenant members datamined.
My assumption (based on Arator’s questline and the Windrunner inheritance) is that the Void Elves are better suited to mending the Elven schism initially, since there’s not that much bad blood between them and the Blood Elves. Sure, Void usage is repulsive and illegal from a BElf’s PoV, but the two never went on to kill one another to the extent that HElf-BElves did.
So the High Elves and SC are taking a more distant role at the start. I’m willing to bet we’ll get a patch dedicated to an extent to the High Elves after launch. I do hope the SC settled in Northrend and created their own home there, in addition to returning to Quel’thalas to some degree.
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