That’s simply because thats exactly what his sarcasm is adressing: Why are you asking for the void elves racial to be less voidy? Why does the void elf who has a player base and fanbase of its own have to see their race bastardized?
Why not argue for a standalone high elf race that isn’t someone elses customization options?
(didn’t realise I was in the edit of last post)
Erwin has gone somewhere (I hope he’s okay and that he was actually funny)
Now you’ve replaced him and are writing your own poems about how you don’t accept High Elves in the Alliance
Sometimes I think you’re connected to ChatGPT. It’s hard to believe that a real person is consciously writing all this nonsense in miles of messages 
Giving options is not removing anything from void elves. Unless you personally believe it damages it couz of reasons unknown to me.
So your argument is that if they made the racial less purple or removed the purple from it, it would just be a “blood elf” like it technically already is? So if I stand afk in dornogal, belfs gets insulted that I am just a “lookalike”?
And ppl have been asking for helf race but gets shut down by the person using sarcasm explaining multiple times that hes the only true high elf (aka blood elf)?
You wanna see sarcasm?
The Light worshipping Draenei are a dying breed now. We all know the Draenei are now all evil and demonic after the Man’ari customisations are being added.
Oh, I wanted to roll an Ironforge dwarf, but alas, I can’t anymore because you can be a wildhammer dwarf now.
Darkspear trolls? Forget about it. They’re all Amani now.
I wanted my old beloved races but the addition of choice has destroyed them all!
This doesn’t answer the question part tho;
If I was a velf fan, I’d be hard on the anti side of the fence by now. Its the same reason why I don’t want them to go oh just make belf neutral and say the ones that choose alliance are high elves.
As a seperate playable race you’d actually get some benefits like screentime in the lore and not having to guess what your inclusion will be in the big thalassian expansion, like it goes now.
I didn’t make an arguement, I asked you why do void* elf fans have to watch their favourite race get bastardized?
blue blood elf is what I would describe people who want to have playable high elf except they must have access to everything blood elf has access too, by my naming conventions I would sooner say red high elf.
I also understand what people mean when they say high elf is blood elf, but personally when I’m talking about both I say thalassian and when I’m talking about red roof I say blood elf and when I’m talking about blue roof I say high elf.
The way I see it; helf as a customization option will never get the full playable race treatment and a lot of things helf players are asking for are part and parcel of that treament, so really try to push for standalone race.
It doesn’t help the conversation to be insulting and put people down. I appreciate your enthusiasm but I think we should be as positive as we can, even if the other side isn’t.
The last thing we would want is for people to think we’re no better than the antis.
(you’re more than welcome to pick apart their arguments though)
If we are going to talk about that, then we should start removing options several races have including belf. I can say I used to play belf and didnt like they added new eye colours. They need to be removed. Would you agree that they should be doing that because those options ruins the race for me personally then?
Im quite sure most Velf people would not be mad about giving options since their choices wont be ruined by it.
If they had completely removed the purple effect for everyone then I would agree with you.
Thats your personal belief it would be. I believe the quality would be higher and make more ppl happy with additional choices.
But that kind of argument can be used in literally every single change being made which would mean nothing in this game should be changed in general.
And the people get hated for doing either of them. Its kinda nice isnt it?
They get hard denied by one person for wanting a helf standalone.
They get hard denied by the same person for wanting options/more customizations.
Now, tell me, what should be asked without that person trashing or using “sarcasm” on everything related to it?
Apparently at this point we should just remove all choices in this game since normal dwarves hates the aspect of having the choice of going wildhammer or anything.
Draenais hate the aspect of having Man’ari and so on. So lets just tell blizzard we hate all these options and just delete them from the game since it bastardized those races.
I won’t be nice to those who belittle the players wish for a race they’ve been waiting 21 years to see added
They come into every High Elf thread just to mock them - throwing around “facts” and lore, looking down on High Elf fans, and trying to silence them with their loud majority
Based lets remove warrior
I’m a roleplayer first and foremost; if it computes in the lore, I am good.
Personally I do not really understand the blue eyeglow and where it comes from, but I do like that there are different gradients between blue and green to sort of have a different way to express just how much you were exposed to it.
The golden eyes have a lore source that both computes and makes sense, so I’m good for it.
Blood elves (playable faction) got exposed to fel, their eyeglow changed from blue to green, now they are exposed to light, so it went from green to gold, computes and makes sense, I give it a whole thumbs up, even tho I would personally probably remove the fully blue ones with no hint of green.
I still use green on my character because he has trust issues towards the light about the whole going it out to get milk when Arthas attaked so I imagined him not being intune with the light enough to get the eyeglow change.
I’m intruiged, whats your thought process here?
Spoiler: its not, or rather, its not all there is to it.
My arguement is that playable races that only exist as customization options to other playable races aren’t actually playable races. Being a playable race comes with many things you do not get
I like high elves because I like blood elves, the way I see it, you can’t really enjoy eithers status quo without the others, because so much that is both high elf and blood elf today was formed by that exile.
If you still think its something else, feel free to think so, but know thats not what I’m actually thinking.
Its more of a unless you get these things why even consider yourself a full playable race rather then oh imagine what’d also be possible as a standalone race.
Its irrelevant, people have memed on belves for being in horde for decades, I didn’t let it embitter me, I very much enjoy where they are now in spite of people telling me I was wrong about enjoying blood elves as they exist in horde.
The only person who can deny you is blizzard, everything that takes place here on the forums is nothing more then exchanging of ideas, informations and opinions and yes sometimes those end up clashing. You can treat everything as noise if you want too, but if you post your opinions in a public space, people are free to react to that as they please as long as they don’t break any rules of the platform
High elves as a standalone race that do not have to exist as a customization option for another, freeing both High Elves and the host race they are a customization of from this weird state of trying to represent both aesthetics.
You can’t win with these people. Either you want a High Elf Allied Race (which would free the void elves to have their own identity in their customisations) and you get criticised for “wasting” a slot (which doesn’t make sense because unless WoW closes its servers for good, there will always be opportunities to add more races), and having a race that’s similar to a core race (literally what an AR is)
or
You’re willing to compromise on customisations, and you get criticised anyways for apparently wanting Void Elves not to have an identity.
The Man’ari didn’t bastardise the Draenei. Neither have the Wildhammers the Bronzebeard Dwarves and the Amani the Darkspear (although some people say that the customisation dilutes the Amani identity a bit).
But if we’re going with this line of logic: the Darkfallen already ruin both blood and void elves, since you can play as them through those races.
Have you considered that maybe these two opinions come from two different individuals with two different takes and perspectives on things?
And yes, AR would also suffice as a standalone race, I didn’t mean core race, I probably should’ve properly conveyed that.
Agreed, they make little sense on alliance side.
I am also a big ‘just because there’s feces on the walls doesn’t mean we have to smear more in the ceiling too’ guy
If anything those type of arguements will get me (I’m not that important but I can’t speak for others) to disagree even more.
You are not a good debater. You are not a particularly effective one. As far as I can see your output consists of spam. You spam multiple forums. You spam multiple posts. You say nothing in those posts. You jump to conclusions. You invent results. You attack the folks who disagree with you because you have nothing to say. You declare victory on the most feeble of premises, and go on rants when reality dawns briefly that you haven’t gotten your way before your delusions return.
In short, as people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, you above all people shouldn’t be taking the low road in criticising others, because there is an absolute mountain of material to chuck back your way.
Except you got the compromise. What you are facing is not unreasonableness, it is that you got a compromise and now you feel more compromise is needed.
So to portray all exasperation as ‘we can’t win’ is in itself unreasonable, given you got Void Elves, and then got high elf like customisations on Void Elves. So of course nothing you suggest is acceptable. You already got plenty and are now just being, well, greedy.
Once again, people are just inventing things on the fly. We’ve had High Elven Paladins since Warcraft 3 canonically. Mehlar Dawnblade was a Paladin pupil of Uther’s, before the Scourging, and his TBC-era questline revolves around that. Moreover we’ve got High Elven Paladin NPCs in the Silver Covenant in WotLK, as well as generic HElf Paladins back in Legion. They make an appearance in TWW and DFlight, too.
I think you’re reading over some parts here
I explicitely state that there is no cultural precedent for it with high elves. The Blood Knight order isn’t started by a paladin either, Liadrin was a priestess.
Its not the high elves had a paladin, his name was Mehlar Dawnblade.
It was, the Human Paladin Uther, had a high elf student. The fact that he’s the pupil of a human alone should tell you enough, didn’t they have tutors in Quel’thalas?
Unless we can find more: an exception, not the rule.
And I am the most empathetic fence sitter, I will change my mind with proper lore proving me wrong.
If they had paladins, they would’ve been used when the Scourge was at their doorstep
If high elves are going to be added as playable race with the lore of: they are silver covenant or alliance, I am all for it, but then they will have paladins becasue thats what they learned from the other races that did have paladins, because the blood knights sure as hell weren’t going to teach them and I’m pretty sure that high elf student of Uther joins the blood knights too.
The lore of how paladins came to be is very set in stone, it was human priests who kept dying because death knights were basically necromancers with warrior bodies and well they needed an answer. This is why not all priest races have paladins, because paladins were an answer to a very specific problem.
Well, the cultural precedent is that we have generic High Elven Paladins in WoW’s context, strewn across multiple zones and expansions. I’m not sure what else you’d want for you to consider changing your opinion that “There is no cultural precedent for it.”
Just like the Dwarves ended up learning the ways of the Paladin from their Human allies, so too did the High Elves - starting in pre-Scourging times with Mehlar as an example, and ending up with the Order Hall and Silver Covenant NPCs nowadays.
A second helf paladin pre exile would be start, a paladin order founded by the high elves pre exile would also be a very strong arguement beyond the start.
Considering your silver covenant example which very much true I hadn’t considered that, I would like to add ‘pre exile’ to that claim, by now we’ve faced enough monsters to argue why its useful to have a shiny guy on your side.
Yes, started, thats probably what we saw with Mehlar, if things would’ve gone differently, no doubt we’d have gotten the ‘High’ knights (as opposed to ‘Blood’ knights) eventually.
But we weren’t there, when the Blood Knight order was founded, it was mostly priests getting martial training much like the humans had done it.
As a customization option for void elf tho… I’d pity the void elf player if paladin was added to their roster out of all the classes they might want to get instead. Another reason why I try to hard press people to demanding being a standalone race.
I cannot say that I understand what your point of contention is with this. Mehlar’s existence highlights that Thalassian Elves were interested in being Paladins prior to the Scourging. Which is a proccess that evidently continued - on account of - again - the Silver Hand and Silver Covenant High Elven NPCs. You seem disappointed that Blood Knights don’t have a monopoly on Elven Paladins somehow.
Once again, you’re inventing things out of the blue, which is pretty lame. While Liadrin was a Priestess and is the founder, the bulk of their forces are explicitly stated as being former Royal Guards. Fact check it if you like, it’s written in the Blood of the Highborne. And in contrast to a Paladin’s appeal in Alliance societies - Blood Knights were reviled and despised by their Thalassian kin at that time.
As it just so happens, I’m a Void Elven main. I don’t see what other classes they could add for Void Elves, outside of Paladins. Why’d you even ‘pity’ us, when we’d be getting access to the most popular played (based off of character numbers) class in the game? We’re already getting Demon Hunters, so Paladins would make for complete class parity with BElves.
I dont roleplay but I do enjoy my characters that give me customization options that fit well with my tmog and flavour. So my arguments obviously goes more for people who are like me who do enjoy choices and are not limited to certain peoples belief only.
Its not all there is to it for sure.
If we are talking about general roleplay scenario by giving more choices/options you have more paths open for you instead of closed.
For people like me who enjoys choices(customizations) that lies better with my tmogs etc more options would def be more welcome. Still just personal belief.
People are not allowed to ask for anything related to high elf or void elf customization without specific people calling it to be “minority” or whatever they say.
If we are going with the line of thinking some ppl here have then I guess void elves should be removed as a playable race. In the end, all they are, is just an outcast of blood elves. If you stand in Dornogal, the biggest difference you would see, might be hairstyle and nameplate. So they are the same. Delete void elf.
I personally dont mind if they add high elf as a standalone race or if they add customizations that atleast can reduce or remove the purple effect from the racial proc.
My first character on this bnet account is belf from tbc. My first raiding main were belf paladin. Obviously I only play what I enjoy and generally dont care what other ppl say about it myself. ^^
Which is true and I agree with that. I tend to go on “hiatus” from writing for awhile since I tend to get too annoyed with how bad some arguments people make on why something should not happen due to personal belief. Mostly from the PvP forum.
Prob wont be long before I just stop writing in general again. >_>
Would be better sure, but that kinda goes with every single identity some races have.
In general, I do not know alot when it comes to the lore itself even if Ive been interested in reading them I just havent done it.
I am just a normal person that enjoys choices/options for my races/characters.
Accidentilly edited instead of replied.
tl;dr no cultural precedent for helf paladin in helven culture
would’ve had to learn it from human paladins
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