Void Elves were a compromise. The shadowlands customisations were a further compromise. At this point what is collectively being argued for is ‘how do we get Blizzard to allow us to pretend not to be the race we are playing?’. And of course the compromise was rejected, because pro high elf folk don’t do compromise.
I mean what as the initial request again? Oh that’s right, DUPLICATE A CORE HORDE RACE. Absolutely unfair on the Horde faction and completely unreasonable. I didn’t think at the time you deserved such a compromise. Still don’t given how ungratefully it has been received.
And how am I insulting other people? You said I ignored your point about that. I did so because it was daft. But as you seem to think it is a gotcha I am happy to elaborate.
You are citing when I said “Given you are asking as often I am expressing you shouldn’t have it, it is hypocritical to say I am saying the same thing over and over” as me being insulting because you then when on to say “ut I want to analyze for a moment that you were so quickly to call me a hypocrite”.
Now, let’s get one thing I cleared. I never CALLED you a hypocrite. I was saying you were being hypocritical. Note the difference? One is a state, the other is a description of your stance. Furthermore, something is not name calling if you can justify the description. You are objecting to me terming you hypocritical, which I did because you have resorted to the tiresome attack of ‘oh he posts a bit’. The hypocrisy lies in that this apparently isn’t a sin for the pro High Elf community who have generated god knows how many posts on this over the past 20 years. By not criticising those who spam in favour, but only criticising those who argue against…that’s demonstrable hypocrisy.
And I know, I know, that’s a long post but I had to spend a great deal of time explaining why you were wrong on me being insulting.
So which is it, are my posts too long or not long enough, given you were objecting to me skipping points earlier?
Blizzard also kept Ogres around and they aren’t playable. Perhaps keeping them around doesn’t mean they are intended anything else?
And I am not against further options for Void Elves. Who would want that?
I am against options that dilute what a Void Elf is in an attempt to further the pretense they are a High Elf because that is unfair on Void Elf fans and Blood Elf fans. Which is what is being called for increasingly as realisation dawns a stand alone allied race is off the table.
You yourself are benefiting from the addition of the Shadowlands “High Elven” customization options though, seeing how you’re using the hair colour and the eyes.
I don’t see how more customization options being added in - irrespective of nature - would be in the detriment of Void Elves? I’m a VElf main myself, and vibe a lot with the race as-is.
“Hypocritical” is an adjective describing a behavior, while “being a hypocrite” refers to the act of being a person who habitually exhibits that behavior.
Where did I miss interpret it?
Voicing displeasure is entitlement?
That boat has long sailed with neutral races and spare me the reasoning of how they were introduced. You also prior voiced your displeasure with Nightborne being added to Horde all because of the character model being based on a night elf rig. But somehow for the neutral races its different? Yeah right
And i appreciate the lore brought to void elves from those customisations.
I suppose I’m talking more about how some people want to strip our racials or make them opt out.
Or they want “high elves tattoos”. Other than alleria which is a hold over from her old design, that’s never been shown to a void elf thing. Void elves dont wear paints.
Like I said, generic hair is fine.
But if we start getting things like war paints before more void corruption comes our way imma be pretty annoyed.
What I’m arguing for is just hairstyles. Other than that I’m happy with my velf.
But according to him having more hairstyles or even shared ones is a bridge too far. When you scroll up to past conversations I had with him he doesn’t want it. Other than him not wanting it.
The only other thing I suggested was about the racial but that is not a must for me. But I know some people would want it so I threw in my 5 cents.
Yes, it is entitlement. This is a campaign to get Void Elves changed to be ersatz High Elves. You mentioned
You reject the compromise because it wasn’t was wanted. You feel entitled to demand changes to Void Elves, a race with its own fan base who actually want to lean into what the Void Elf theme actually is. You also want to appropriate as many Blood Elven styles as possible to facilitate this.
Take the tattoo example Senti mentioned. I am assuming he wants tattoos used by High Elven rangers during the Second War, but that is more appropriately the heritage of the Blood Elves. Why not instead a whole bespoke set of void tattoos, less curved, more angular in fitting with the Void Elf aesthetic?
This would be rejected precisely because they wouldn’t be ‘high elven’.
And I will not spare you the reasoning of why they were introduced. If you object to facts being thrown your way as to why things happened then that is on you.
Neutral races don’t apply as a precedent here because neutral races ARE NEUTRAL. You are asking to duplicate a core Horde race as much as possible. Preferably totally if you can ever persuade Blizzard to do it.
Does it change the identity of a Night Elf or a Blood Elf character, when they apply the “Darkfallen” skin tone? Even better, when you use a Draenei racial with a Man’ari Eredar skin color, it turns into a green Fel sigil (instead of a Light sigil). It’s a minor change, but it basically turns the Draenei into a Demon.
I’m totally for expanding the void themed customization for the Void Elves, but it’s also part of their “identity” and story, that the “void look” was basically an accident and you can use its magic without turning purple permantently.
Hi there, I’ve been a High Elf fan since vanilla and I’m totally fine with the compromise
That was, for a short time, part of the Alliance, even before that. See, I understand where you’re coming from, but at the same time, it’s astonishing how you don’t seem to see that your arguments often work in both directions.
Don’t get me started on that topic
*demand MORE OPTIONS
Because just like the Blood Elves - some of the Void Elves are former High Elves.
Right back at you when we ask for more hairstyles be it some shared with blood elf. Quite frankly both races are Thalassian elves. So it would make sense they would have the same hairstyles.
You make it look I was against that. I said clearly that the normal looks should not take precedent over the void costumsation or are we going to ignore that?
As do I. Which is why I found it a bit odd to see you countersignalling this. I personally do not want Void Elves to be turned into freakish Ghouls. If I did, I’d be playing an Undead instead. The same way I wouldn’t want them to be done away with and cannibalized by High Elves.
I like the space-faring Elven vibe, it’s really unique, and there’s nothing like it in WoW at the moment. But note the emphasis on ELF chiefly. Kaeros’ whole argument is that Void Elven customizations should solely be as freakish and as strange as possible, which I’m sorry, but that isn’t the target demographic for Elf players. Goth-esque and ethereal, sure - though.
Maybe they don’t. But the Void Elves have Farstriders in their composition, so why can’t they have war paints that fit that vibe. Likewise, they have Magisters - so why wouldn’t they have Rommath-esque sorcerous paints with a Void Elven twist.
I don’t think I’ve ever read anybody post something like this. I suppose people would enjoy a toggle on/off. Which let’s be honest, is already a thing with the Man’ari Draenei skin, where the racial changes from a Symbol of the Naaru to a Symbol of Sargeras when used.
Either way, my point of contention is that you’re enjoying - and finding High Elven customizations congruous enough with the VElf vibe (atleast the eyes and hair colour insofar as you have used it) that there’s no need to countersignal on this so much.
Do not think for a moment this is solely about hairstyles. That is the limit of your ambition, everyone else here wants much, much more than that.
You think if they gave you more hairstyles that would be the end of this? I saw what happens with ‘compromise’. More is demanded. Only logical solution is to argue against everything and make every request as difficult and controversial as possible.
So high elf fans would stop trying to add on to void elves and stop asking for more stuff if they got the equivalent of the darkfallen or manari customisation? Because if 4 customisation options was all it took to end this for good thats fine by me. Let’s just do it.
Problem is, what would those options be that are 100% uniquely high elven and not treading on potential void elven customisation? The tats?
Honestly? Probably better hair. For real, it really sucks, whichever way you look at it. Females have too little options, whereas males’ are just plain scuffed and clip through the head or floats just above it.
Then I am afraid that isn’t enough because that’s the problem. For you it’s hairstyles. The next person wants to share tattoos (should they come) and jewellery and eye colours. Person after that wants to remove the reverb and the racials.
It’s a classic slippery slope because they already gave you the skin tones and more was asked for. In other words, for all you talk of compromise, you only mean from your own perspective. Others want far more and what you want is nowhere enough for them.
I hated the fact they added normal skin tones to void elves until they added it in as part of the void elf lore and story where different people get changed by it to different degrees and how we have more than the original set of void elves in our ranks.
Then they were no longer high elf customisation, they were void elf customisation through and through.
Mine is mainly on void. I’m not all that fussed about high or blood elves. Tbh their aesthetic isn’t that nice imo. The void is darn cool and the fact they have their own unique identity is what makes them so much cooler than the other elves.
I want us to be the edgy emo elves.
I dont want us to become rugged wild rangers that happen to sometimes be blue if you want.
Whereas I want Blood Elves to be the epitome of the High Elf fantasy…which they are. I don’t want to take away from your path and I appreciate you don’t want to take away from mine.
I also don’t want to waste the potential of the one void themed race we have. Which so far has been royally squandered.
