Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race - 2024 (Part 1)

You just wrote a novel to say: “No, I don’t want this and I don’t think it’ll happen despite the mounting evidence.” You’re the one coping, friend.

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If you think that is a novel I despair.

And if you think some dialogue equates to mounting evidence, you’re delusional. If you’d actually bothered to read a few paragraphs you’d see that what is necessary for a new allied race beyond Haranir is missing.

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I don’t know about you, but I find it pretty telling that we’ve now got:

  • Vereesa Windrunner back in the limelight, representing Alliance High Elves.
  • 2 out of 3 Windrunner sisters are on the Alliance, with the third MIA for a while longer.
  • An elven unification story still to play out fully.
  • Alliance High Elves now dwell in Quel’Thalas, controlling Windrunner Spire and Silverglade Refuge. They consider Blood Elves traitors.
  • Void Elves are getting the Demon Hunter Class and some signs seem to point towards Paladins.
  • Cosmetics in the expansion are based on Blood Elves, Void Elves, and High Elves.
  • The Amani Trolls are bout to get their own patch in 12.1, fleshing out their story and likely incorporating them further into the Horde.

It’s not a very huge leap to assume that we will be getting playable High Elves on the Alliance one of these days. Either as a new race added to the game, or in the form of significant changes to the Void Elf and Blood Elf races.

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Veressa Windrunner gets attention when her story supports her wider family for the most part.

Elven Unification, and the meaning of it, are still up for debate but the expansion is focused on the Blood Elves and the Void Elves, whose light and void alignment mirror the story of the expansion. Expecting Elven unification to mean more than Void Elves and Blood Elves is to give Alliance High Elves an importance they have not earned.

Alliance High Elves are present in Silverglade Refuge, to which the Horde has access. Windrunner Spire is still within the Kingdom of Quel’thalas. These groups don’t ‘CONTROL’ these areas in spite of the Horde, they are permitted to be there and they implicitly accept they are living under Horde sovereignty. If they ever betray that, it wouldn’t take much effort to clear them out. Control is the ability to hold onto something. If you are instead allowed to do something by others, then THEY have the control.

The expansion cosmetics are based on Blood Elves (who are High Elves) and Void Elves. In other words, there are two, not three, aesthetics. There being a blue colour scheme on the Blood Elf gear does not make that Alliance High Elven.

The Amani Trolls are unlikely to be made an allied race because they are not at the same level of complexity as the Haranir and Earthen, who are the gold standard of allied race customisation right now and who highlight that other races need to be brought up to that standard. Nor is it guaranteed the Amani would join the Horde should that unlikely choice be made, it is far more probable the Amani would be neutral, just as Earthen were. Either way, you are deprived of something you need to justify your belief, a Horde equivalent.

A stand-alone Alliance High Elf race is not happening as a developer would not be encouraging folks to ‘shout for races’ they want if they knew they were they coming. The decision to add them or not would have had to have been taken two or three years ago, when Midnight was chosen as the 12.0 expansion. Our developer, a senior quest designer, would have been involved with building opening quests for them and the breadcrumbs that would lead to the Alliance embassy in Stormwind. Instead, when he pressed on High Elves specifically he gave a heavily caveated answer that listed a major potential problem with them (their inability to be distinguished from a Blood Elf). Were they coming, he simply wouldn’t have answered. The very fact he responded was enough to discern they weren’t happening.

Blood Elves are High Elves, thus no changes are required. And the only acceptable alteration to Void Elves is to make more explicitly clear than they already have that some Alliance High Elves have chosen to become Void Elves. Void Elves are not a mistake you can pretend to be a High Elf on. They are Void Elves, with their own fanbase.

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If they drop for Horde probably HE will drop for Alliance.

Fingers crossed.

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As it seems they’re settling with adding some Forest Troll customization for Darkspear Trolls I don’t think it’ll happen. :face_with_diagonal_mouth: (Hope it’ll at least include the beefier versions for the trolls, but doubtful it’s more than the skin & hair colours).

We could hope they further expand on it for “all the elven tribes”.
Suuurely we’re getting some major new customization for elves during an elven centric expansion. (…) If at a later stage, at the very least.

Inb4 another shade of bubblegum hair colour.

Even though I doubt it, in terms of symbolism or timing, there probably won’t be a better setting or occasion to introduce playable Quel’dorei OR Amani.

In Warcraft 2, when the High Elves made their debut as Archers and Rangers on the Alliance side, the Horde equivalent was Forest Troll Axe Throwers and Berserkers. Not only would they add two “veteran” races to the playable roster, they are also prominently featured in the expansion’s story.

So my guess is, if we DON’T see playable Quel’dorei / Amani Trolls in Midnight, we probably never will.

My take is they’ll add eventually more customization options for og troll race (in form of Amani/Forest Troll) and for belves/velves (in form of more quel’dorei cusomization).

You got the equivalent 5 years ago.

You are USING the equivalent.

We know you don’t want it by now.

You have been recycling this over and over.

We will just have to wait and see what happens as the expansion and game moves on.

Right now it’s all ifs and wants. What will get to game is still something we will have to wait and see.

Given you are asking as often I am expressing you shouldn’t have it, it is hypocritical to say I am saying the same thing over and over.

‘Quel’dorei customisations’, what a lie. There is no such thing. It’s Blood Elf customisations that are being asked for, meanwhile there is a perfectly good Void Elf customisation thread where real Void Elf fans are asking for things like old god eyes and starcursed hair and here you folks are asking to look more like Blood Elves than you already can to pretend to be something you aren’t.

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If you haven’t checkted that thread I actually posted there as well and said I loved the hairstyles they created and I want them added. Not that I’ll use all of them, but some for sure.

I personally would be fine with sharing some of the hairstyles from void elf with blood elves as well, matter of giving blood elf additional customization.

I also saw your “reaction” to the dataminded paladin mount for void elf. Your stance also wasn’t positive on that.

I genuinely only brought up costumization (personally) once. So who is the real hypocrit?

Generally more costumization for any and all races is a good thing. Do I want some more “normal” hairstyles, yes, do they have to take precedence over void ones? No, definitely not.

But I want to analyze for a moment that you were so quickly to call me a hypocrite, shall we deepdive in all the ways you shut down to find any middle ground for the people who want more customization, in it only being rooted that you don’t want it, without having any objective facts that would support that it would be a bad thing, that the community is requesting?

Take a long look in the mirror before you accuse someone. You might learn a thing or two about yourself.

You are more than free to express your emotions and feelings, but you can do that without insulting other people. Don’t be flabbergasted if you get matching energy in return.

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There is. Neither Blood Elves nor Void Elves are able to wear tattoos like Alleria.

That said, most of the Allied Races could use more options, especially when you look at their hairstyles. And I agree with Alfiriniel - more options to choose from are never a bad thing in a game.

They’re not taking anything away with it.

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What middle ground? I said before, we already HAVE a compromise in what was given 5 years ago.

Tell me, if someone reaches a compromise with someone else and then turns around sometime later and then says ‘actually, we need more’ do you think that person is being fair? And if the other party to that discussion balks and calls them out on their greed, is that other party being ‘selfish’ or ‘unwilling to find a middle ground’?

Which is of course the issue here. You are critiquing my refusal to find a ‘middle ground’, even as your very own character is enjoying the fruits of that middle ground with your current customisation. So I am not being unreasonable at all. Demands for more are simply sheer unadulterated greed, particularly when most of the folks arguing in this thread frame extra customisations as a way of enabling them to pretend even more that their void elves aren’t void elves.

And I find that a bad thing. No other race in the game is subject to the same demands as Void Elves are. ‘Change the racial so we don’t have to look at it’…’we need more non voidy hair colours’…’we should be able to have a nameplate that says we aren’t void elves’…on and on it goes. I doubt there is a race as despised by those who play it as a Void Elf.

Would you personally ever consider using proper void elf customisations I wonder? The bluer skin tones, the tentacled hair? It’s a more authentic representation of what a Void Elf is after all.

Those aren’t quel’dorei options. They are Blood Elven. There is nothing uniquely ‘Quel’dorei’ because the moment they became Blood Elves that all became Blood Elven.

And more options ARE a good thing, but you aren’t seeking variety. You want to waste the potential of the one void playable race we have trying to look like a Blood Elf rather than leaning into their unique selling point. Meaningless, destructive homogenization for no reason.

What do you expect from someone who has the mentality of “Only what I believe is true.”?

Its been showcasing so much when he writes I keep cringing.

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I know he is like that.

But this just confirms his bias. His paragraph above claiming about a compromise which never was the actual request of the community is baffling.

Notice how he however completely ignored the point where I address him insulting other people. Or provide any objective obstruction to how it would impact the game badly?

At this point he is the equivalent of hot air.

He writes a whole lot for things that could be said in two paragraphs assuming it would hold more value or strength.

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Then please, show me an ingame screenshot of your tattooed Blood Elf.

Nobody denies that the overwhelming majority of the remaining High Elves became Blood Elves and accepted their new look and color scheme; so yes, it’s mostly an esthetic thing.

But it’s also a fact that there’s still a small minority who prefers to be called “Quel’dorei” and preserves their previous look and loyalties. If that weren’t the case, Blizzard wouldn’t have kept Vereesa, the Silver Covenant or any of the High Elf NPCs around.

A “unique selling point” who is, and always was, a compromise. :man_shrugging:
You can’t make the Alliance High Elf fans go away. Call it “look like a Blood Elf” all you want, as long as there are High Elves around in the story - even if it’s a minority or a few NPCs - people will ask for them, because they were and are fan favorites.

As I said, nothing would be destroyed by adding more options. :man_shrugging:

If your argument is that storywise, the far majority of High Elves became Blood Elves, then you also have to accept that storywise, Alleria (a returned Quel’dorei from the past) and Locust Walker trained High- and even Blood Elves to become uncorrupted Void Elves. So it’s absolutely logical that they don’t look corrupted - just like Alleria - and also deserve more customization.

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He is right though.

Many people do try to suggest changes to void elves that strip them of what they are. Such as making changes to their racial abilities.

Void elves shouldnt have to have their identity removed, changed, or sidelined to appease high elf fans.

Its an annoying trend tbh

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I make the blunt assumption you only read the last few posts and overlooked this: