Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race - 2024 (Part 1)

And guess what, Blood Elves are High Elves!

And have been playable since 2007.

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Yeah you are applying an omniscient player point of view to how people within the story felt. And it wasn’t just Garithos either…

“Rommath laughed again, loudly this time. “Since we joined the Horde,” he repeated. “Of course. That’s somewhat awkward, I imagine. And do you, Archmage Sunreaver, remember exactly why we sought to join the Horde?” Aethas did not answer, but he looked Rommath straight in the eye, unflinching. “A monumental betrayal,” Rommath said, his voice nearly a whisper. His eyes glittered with seething anger that nearly a decade had failed to quell. “In Dalaran,” he continued, “beneath the ever-watchful eyes of the Kirin Tor.” “They really had nothing to do with—” “I assume you mean,” Rommath interrupted, “that the Kirin Tor did nothing. Did nothing to prevent it, did nothing to stop it. And instead”—his voice began to rise—“left us to rot in the prisons beneath a city many of us called home as much as ever we did Silvermoon. A city our own crown prince had served as faithfully as his own homeland for longer than a human lifetime. A city we fought and died for, and at the request of the Kirin Tor. A city within whose walls they would have watched, in silence, as we all swung from a hangman’s noose. Their city.”

-In the Shadow of the Sun.

They were at their lowest point and having to rely on the good graces of a people they always felt superior to and it ended badly. Garithos signed their death warrants in Dalaran and the Kirin Tor stood by.

Now I can see debating the ACTUAL lore rather your absolutist headcanon’ed equivalent is frustrating for you, but you have to deal with what actually transpired rather than decrying it as not what you would have done.

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There literally is. How do you think they came to join the Arathi sailing across the sea? Why do you think Faerin Lothar has pointy ears?

Even if this recent lore didn’t exist, it’s still highly likely that the ones collaborating during the Troll Wars – and that whole era overall – fell in love, formed friendships, or became each others’ tutors and apprentices. Because that’s what people do. It’s what happens.

Blizzard doesn’t write down every event taking place across Azeroth. They focus on the major events shaping the stories we play in-game. The rest is for you to fill out using your own logic.

For example, in Middle-Earth there were dwarves befriending elves even if the two races overall didn’t fancy each other that much. Gimli and Legolas are just two examples, as are the Dwarves of Thorin’s company and Bilbo. Imagine the untold stories that take place in all of these universes, that we never hear about because of time-constrained authors.

No, blood elves are a different group of people who did what’s best for their people. But there are some high elves which stayed with the Alliance and you can see them everywhere across the eastern kingdoms

This is literal head canon. A fan fiction story that won a writing contest in 2008, before being amended and released as official lore by Blizzard in 2012. That’s right, the peak of their “if you want playable High Elves, the Horde is waiting for you”-days.

It’s lore that exists because Horde players and developers want to explain why the choice of giving High Elves to the Horde was the right one.

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They are biologically the same race. Does a human from Belgium stop being a human just because they change their passport?

They are, for the most part, the same group of Elves at different points in time.

But you know what?

All these lore discussions are a distraction. They aren’t going to add a core race from the Alliance to the Horde. You know how I know this?

Because what we now call the Allied race system was, in it’s very earliest conception, discussed as a sub-race system and it was brought up by the developers in interviews after Warlords of Draenor launched. That is why Legion seeded so many allied races for Battle for Azeroth. And in those early interviews they mentioned Mag’har Orcs and even High Elves, because they hadn’t thought the system through.

And when they did, they created Void Elves and cited faction diversity as the reason Alliance High Elves didn’t happen. Now, with Midnight, we can see that the campaign that began with the backlash to Void Elves in BFA has failed. If they were going to add a stand alone Allied race, it would have been now. As that isn’t happening, it’s done. It will never happen. Ion even said recently Allied races have to make narrative sense, and THIS is the moment.

The Amani fans recognise that but seem to accept that if 12.1 doesn’t add them, they aren’t happening. And it looks like that is not going to be the case

Which leaves altering Void Elves as the only feasible path forward. So, are Blizzard really willing to bastardise Void Elves by allowing some to use that race to pretend they are something they aren’t whilst erasing the faction diversity that Void Elves were created to protect in the first place? Oh that is a mighty tall ask and a very unlikely one.

I for one cant wait to play High Elf and Amani on the expansion. The fact that all the armor sets datamined have a High Elf scheme is telling. And more than enough evidence for me.

Dont forget void elf paladins would never happen and yet here we are.

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Blood Elves are still, High Elves, doesn’t matter if a different group.

And that coming from already also playing one? :thinking:

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The fact Blizzard canonised it means it is not headcanon.

That is the ACTUAL difference.

And the fact you are salty about it confirms that you are peddling your own absolutist headcanon. In the Shadow of the Sun is real. Whatever you are talking about?

That’s not.

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It actually does. Lmao Hence why they are called High Elves and not Blood Elves. Cmon

Names are the most basic form of group identification.

Names serve as powerful symbols of identity, heritage, and belonging.

Basic stuff really, and the building block of the Blood Elf lore. Do you guys even read what you post?

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Every elf race is technically “the same race”. Blood elves, void elves, night elves, nightborne, they’re all the same. All of them are descendants of dark trolls / night elves

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Void elf. Please read :wink:

But i see you are on the trolling phase of your arguments and thus this conversation is over. Adios

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They’re literally not. Blood elves are similar to high elves in the same way that night elves are similar to high elves

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No they aren’t. They are the same race. There are no biological difference between them. All their differences are of a political nature.

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Oh this is good.

How? Please, enlighten us. List all the ways they are different.

I am eager to see what has been missed across all these years of debate.

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Please learn your lore. Because Void Elves are also High Elves.

Right, so does a Human with Green Eyes stop being a Human because other Humans may have Blue Eyes?

EDIT: I wish I had TL3 here on the EU Forums so I can use the Dr Evil “riiigghhttt” gif.

It head canon because it was written by a fan who wanted it to be real.

It remains head canon because it was canonised by developers who wanted to explain why they made the choices they made.

Now, obviously I accept all official lore and I am not dismissing this bit of lore entirely. It’s worth taking into consideration.

But what I’m trying to argue here is that you need to see this game for what it is: a mish-mash of lore written by committee. Writers come and go, and they all want to leave their imprint on the story. Then there’s the corporation looming above it all in the background, wishing to maximise profits.

My point is that writing High Elves into the Horde made no sense then, and excluding High Elves from the Alliance makes no sense today.

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Many people speculate that Alleria will return to being a high elf after the Midnight expansion. It’s semi-confirmed that we’re getting void elf paladins, which wouldn’t make sense unless they get rid of their void energy

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Actually, here is something that will prove you completely wrong:

High elves and blood elves are physiologically the same race, and they are descended from night elves. Nevertheless, due to their shared history and philosophical differences, the three groups do not share a close relationship. Indeed, night elves regard high elves and blood elves with suspicion, disgust, or outright hostility.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Warcraft_Encyclopedia/High_Elves_and_Blood_Elves