True true.
But they also didn’t ever add them in as options unlike the ears… So… Kinda different.
points at mine
Ner’zul did not choose to be a Lich King either.
Then maybe visit Hillsbrad Foothills, once a beautiful land untouched by the Scourge, turned into a blight land by Banshee’s minions.
- Their plague is a desease, by design it’s incomparable to a poison. Their plague is a weapon of mass destruction, that devours both life and undeath and even kills the earth itself.
1.1. In developing their plague, they have conducted hideous experiments, by torturing and murdering innocent people, not just humans and dwarves, but also orcs, taurens and their own undead. - They create Abominations just like Scourge did.
- Worst of all, they raise the dead against their will.
Exactly
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Dawnblade Blood Elves collaborated with the Burning Legion and wanted to use Sunwell to bring Kil Jaden into this world. Just because of this you wouldn’t claim that alll blood elves wanted to bring Kil Jaden and destroy Azeroth, would you?
So why would you portrait that scum Garithos and his xenophobic troops as presenting the entire humanity? -
Before the Fourth War, my mentor made an incursion into Apothecary District of Undercity, where she and her group discovered a laboratory with subject corpses not just of humans and dwarves, but also orcs and taurens (you can see it for yourself by timewalking Tirisfal Glades and doing classical quest “Seeping Corruption”)
If they had used orcs and taurens as their lab rats, where there are guarantees they hadn’t done the same with blood elves?
Most evil comes from the Legion.
We waged a war on people who would have done the same to us if they had the advantage. Was Sylvanas did was totally justified.
the plague turns people undead. The blight simply kills you. Know the difference.
Kael’thas did nothing wrong.
What matters is the public face. And from there we got nothing but support from the Forsaken. They aided us when no one else would.
I never said they raise the dead with the plague. Read message properly before replying it with an irrelevant comments.
To be fair we don’t have the ability to raise new undead anymore and we only had that ability starting with the end of wotlk.
And if I remember correctly not every forsaken was a fan of the queen doing that since most would not want there fate to be burdened on others.
There are ofcourse more then enough who see it as a necessary evil cause the forsaken numbers otherwise would only go down.
That btw another reason why they use biological warfare. When you can’t replenish your troops it’s the best when you fight in a way that does not bring your troops in danger
You critizise the Forsaken for stuff when peace wasn’t on the table due to bad leadership on both sides. Back when Blizzard didn’t think faction war would be bad. So you can expect people having their own opinions and giving you slack.
Makes sense for high elves, but for blood elves: Forsaken are the only reason Quel’thalas isn’t called Northern plaguelands. If anything I would say that the average blood elf who didn’t witness first hand the wrist pulling of Sylvanas towards Lor’themar would even be grateful to the forsaken for helping them stabalize Quel’thalas (hell, some would even if they witnessed the wrist pulling) and stop the degradation of land from reaching beyond that river that separates ghostlands from eversong by keeping the feral scourge in their homelands it in check
Saw I had a pending reply still eee busy weeks
If we were in a court of law or were discussing scientific outcomes of experiments sure but we’re talking lore that was written down 20 years ago. We will not agree on it in the context of the conversation we’re having so lets call it that.
That’s an assumption that is not mirrored by what is shown ingame because Ghostlands quest hub shows elves and forsaken working together. There’s not much room for debate there.
Which is what gave you the outland blood elves of Kael’thas, not the silvermoon city blood elves Kael’thas originally sent sources of magic back to consume
The blood elves that stuck with Kael’thas, your sunfury heads in Netherstorm who are hostile always, those are the fel consumers, those tunred into fel blood elves.
None of them returned to SMC and all of them turned to the legion, part of the whole plotline of the blood elves is that they hear rumors of elves going crazy in outland and then they go to outland and yep elves are crazy. Those however are not player character blood elves, the player character blood elves stayed behind, didn’t see the horrors of outland and what it did to Kael’thas and his followers.
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Still a shame how they handled that story back in TBC. I wish they weren’t just generic mobs we kill.
If you know any names / quests confirming this, please share them with me, I’d be happy to see proves that there are some decent forsaken, who did not comply to their evil dictator Banshee’s maniacal policies. From the official information I have so far, Sylvanas had always made sure to wipe out any forsaken who refused to serve or simply disagreed with her. It is partly her “unnatural selection” that made forsaken as vile as they are.
Forsaken started their atrocities against humans and dwarves of Hillsbrad (and also part of Gilneas) since early days of Vanilla, when Thrall was a warchief, there wasn’t an open war and Thrall clearly did not approve of that unprovoked aggression. There wasn’t bad leadership on both sides, there was one vile wretch of a banshee that should’ve been executed back in BFA.
Check Wowpedia sections “Rebuilding” and “New Horde” it clearly shows chronology that they first reconquered Silvermoon & Eversong woods and only then started collaborating with Forsaken in reclaiming Ghostlans.
link to check: wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Quel%27Thalas_(kingdom)#Rise_of_the_blood_elves
If you do BE zones quests and actually read the text, it reinforces this picture: The Eversong woods have been largely retaken, while the contacts with the Forsaken are only starting to establish and you, as a player, play a pivotal role in it.
Where would you put the forsaken who were allowed to choose not to join and didn’t? Lillian Voss didn’t join the Forsaken for a long time for instance. She did her own thing for quite a while. I think she only officially really becomes part of the Forsaken after WoD.
I will grant you we mostly see this in game beyond Lillian with that upstart group who started a bit of a rebellion in the Cata revamp of the Forsaken starting zone and that was squashed violently, but they were also attempting an actual coup.
Just curious mostly your thoughts on thems.
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The time it happened doesn’t matter. Point is the Forsaken helped the blood eles with no srings attached. That is why they trust each other. And that is why they together with the Nightborne will be the first responders to the coming void invasion.
Ghostlands was just more eversong woods before it was named the ghostlands, yes they recovered what is now eversong today but what is now ghostlands was also eversong woods once and is only not overrun with feral scourge due to the forsaken assistance.
Though the forsaken werent the only other ones there, alliance through envoy anvilrage iirc that dwarf you kill in the first zone shared information with the sentinel spies in ghostlands who used that information to take out an arcane sanctum, which meant the blood elves were being actively undermined, considering arcane was still their most accessible resource losing a sanctum esp. After near anihation of their race would be a massive blow.
Unfortionately we can only speculate what that wouldve done to the effort to reclaim quelthalas if there was no outside help from forsaken while some members of the alliance were going after vital infrastructure, but I imagine it wouldn’t have made things easier as more time passed and wouldve made it harder for QT to resist the scourge pressence in their land too.
High elf fans love to ignore Basic lore.
High elves, blood elves and void elves have the same original lore because they are all elves of Quel’Thalas, they are all of the same people.
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High elves fans try to do revisionism to satisfy their little personal desires
Unfortunately for them , keepers of the lore like us will not stay silenced.
High elves are the virus of our kind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgS1Lwr8gq8&ab_channel=PopcornMedia
And we are the cure.
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You twisting the narrative is not reality. By far the worst offshot of elves. Even Shen’drelar are better.
Alleria, Umbric, Auric, Vereesa… are all elves from Quel’Thalas like Lor’Themar, Rommath, halduron, Liadrin…
Fortunately Blizzard will finally unite this divided people at Midnight.
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Are you a broken record? You repeat the same message over and over.
Huh? Shes not wrong though. Whether its High, Blood or Void elf they do share the same history. Its only relatively recently that any of them have diverged from one another.
Also not to be too much of a stickler but the Shen’dralar and the Highborne that would become the High Elves are the same people… Shen’dralar just pulled a similar move to the Nightborne (Or more correctly the Nightborne pulled a similar move to the Shen’dralar) and hid while the Highborne that would become High Elves tried to work with the rest of the Night Elves until they couldn’t and were exiled by Malfurion.