I asked for that class in the hope they’d add it as their stand alone thing. But I guess being added to warrior is the next best thing. Although for me it takes away from the fantasy a little as they are mana using units.
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I agree/disagree with many statements on both sides. Both sides have sometimes really good points, but sometimes it’s borderline stupid.
No one would die if HE would become playable race…
No one would die if they would become available only as customization to current elves…
EDIT: No one would die if Blizzard would expand the lore past Midnight and make all original Thalassian Elves separate neutral nation
…Xal’atath falls down and her body starts evaporating in shadows as she dies
Lor’themar: Heroes of Horde, heroes of Alliance - heroes of Azeroth. We all saved our world. You all proved to be valuable assets and allies.
To remember this times and the win over devouring void, we Elves of Quel’thalas will from now on aid your cause in the future as standalone nation - as people of Quel’thalas - the Quel’dorei
Cinematic ends, all elves are unified - players are now welcome to join first neutral faction of Quel’thalas where they can pick of three separate racial traits - blood elves, high elves and void elves.
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Are you sure? Some heads would explode.
I have seen several times the request for an option on the Void Elf Racial. I think the majority of people would be happy with that.
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If that’s what makes their days fulfilled let it be …
as said - it would not hurt anyone (but some egos)
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Next beta phase will be about
All 3 Midnight raids. That means we will surely learn more about the High elves and their role in this expansion.
No one would die if there is no playable HE as usual
Eh… to be fair, from what I’ve seen there’s no information about high elves in the raid.
Although what is curious is that Silverglade refuge doesn’t have any quests (so far) and now there’s a Silversun Accord (joint operation with the Sunreavers)
I do echo others in saying that they’re keeping cards close to their chest on this one.
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So wait the Horde would lose the Core Race while the Alliance would “lose” the allied race and probably gain the new one? How is that even remotely fair proposition?
Alliance or horde would not lose anything. High Elfs return to silvermoon and some blood and void elfs just join them because their own reasons.
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Maybe! Also might’ve been Aemilia!
That’d be pretty cool.
Or that they follow in the spirit of: https://www.wowhead.com/item=244828/nightforged-spellblade and https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=266097/basic-kaldorei-moonblade
If they don’t want to make glaives more readily available for other classes, at least continue making sword variants of them!
I wish they’d take customization more serious these days, in terms of likely things: It’d be nice if we had more transmog slots: Cloak-spot + Back-spot (for cosmetics like backpacks etc) and waist-slots (which can still be class specific) but allows you to have books, wands, daggers, etc. Would be nice to have a stand-alone quiver that doesn’t remove your cloak again (which used to exist when you had arrows & was auto-ing!).
They’re so caught up in the mechanics and general gameplay (which they insist on changing every expansion anyway) that they’ve put the basic fantasy on the backburner for a long time.
I’m dying.
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I believe that’s count as a loss when a core race from one side goes Neutral. Reminder that each faction has 6 core races and two shared Neutral races. Shifting Blood Elves into Neutral race would mean Alliance has still 6 core races but now has access to 3 Neutral Races while Horde has 5 Core races and 3 Shared.
You’d argue that Alliance loses exclusivity on Void Elves but those are an allied race not the core one
No horde would not lose anything eather not alliance. Actually both just get more. Blood or void elfs aint diappearing anywhere. Some of them just decide Join to high elfs.
And im not arguing it was just a thought
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The numbers argument never made any logic and feels like a self-goal.
Draenei in TBC’s Azuremyst number are implied to be in the hundreds according to quest text - and the Draenei race as a whole numbers in the low thousands depending on how you interpret Velen’s quest text at the end of Azuremyst. In BfA this is reiterated, and elaborated that there simply aren’t any Draenei in existence to assist the Night Elves or the Alliance in their war beyond an extreme few handfuls.
As for Mag’har. Their numbers are probably even smaller, seeing how they’ve all relocated to a former internment camp in Arathi and have been populating it ever since. Their numbers cannot be higher than a few hundred. (Discounting the Mag’har of the Outlands. Strictly speaking of the playable AU).
Void Elves make sense, I suppose, in the sense that they can steadily replenish their numbers from a pool of Elven scholars/exiles. So long as there are disgruntled Blood Elves in existence, then the VElves can just recruit away.
More than that, Darkspear Trolls are so few in number that back in MoP’s Shadows of the Horde, Vol’jin makes his best attempt at getting to know every tribal.
And while not representative of all the Orc playable characters, Frostwolf clan members are given an exact number of roughly 82 in Rise of the Horde.
It’s more understandable if you were honest and said that High Elves shouldn’t be playable based on vibes and feelings. Rather than making up a problem of how they’re too few to be playable, when there’s a precedent of races that are teetering on extinction as-is, perhaps more than them.
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Which was an official explanation given by Blizzard who pointed out even Gnomes of Gnomeregan outnumbered High Elves by large margin. Although admittedly the numbers are as large or as low as the narrative needs them to be. Though it would really be hard for High Elves to have substantial numbers considering their 10% of all post Third War Thalassian Elves status. And the number aligned with Alliance was even lower as the Lodge in Plaguelands was Independent. Friendly with Alliance but not part of it. I don’t think other races tether this close to extinction especially since unlike Elves, Trolls or Draenei or Gnomes are not particularly opposed to ekhm increasing their population.
You can’t really use numbers as a counter point.
The Darkspear were so few in numbers Vol’jin knew each one by name personally (that includes the player).
on average a person can keep a high social contact with about 150 people at once, which isn’t a lot.
Numbers don’t matter because blizzard can’t count and there will always be as many as the plot demands.
Its why I don’t use numbers as a counter argument to the high elf fans.
To be fair Vol’jin being their chieftain and trolls being rather long lived race he could have committed time and effort to memorize all their names.
And still I don’t think any other race stuffers from abysmal levels of libido like Elves do. Meaning outside Forsaken the Non Elf Races can repopulate if enough people survived… Elves with their one maybe two children every few hundred years? Or longer in Night Elf case? Yeah there’s no real fast bouncing back from those numbers.
Vol’jin was in his 40s or so when he died. And was about 18 when he joined the Horde. Trolls also don’t seem to live longer than Humans, outside of the Zandalari. And even then, Rastakhan is a case of its own.
Thank you. Now stop using the “there’s not enough High Elves to warrant HElves.” argument.
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Sure they live slightly long lives, longer if they have a loa watching them.
And maybe trolls can manage a higher number of close social contacts on average than a human, the point I was getting at is, nunbers are not really a good argument, because you have stuff like vol’jin making a point of knowing each of his Darkspear tribes as closely as you would a friend or family.
which would take a lot of time and commitment if they were numbered in the four digits as opposed to the two or three digits.
Like can you imagine keeping up with lives of around a thousand individuals while also leading a tribe, taking part in faction politics and fightning against world ending threats every year or so?
Just the thought is exhausting.
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Maybe if I stop hearing about how deeply different High Elves are from Blood Elves outside their political stance. Not fair if only one side is allowed to use dumb arguments. (Although I’d rather not resort to that).
Although let’s be honest I don’t know if their numbers are anything above low thousands anymore since they kept losing numbers. The Plaguelands Lodge is gone sans a single High Elf. How much of the 10% they were? 1%? 2%? Both Theramore and Dalaran’s Purge Took it’s toll on their numbers with the former involving both Elves fighting for Theramore and Silver Covenant members aiding them. And then we Have Dalaran itself being destroyed and before that attacked with unknown number of dead/lost to Nerubians. And again Elves repopulate extremely slowly. Hell lorewise we only know of three kids… All Half Elves.
Welcome to the World of Warcraft. It’s exhausting yeah. Could use another 5 year break like after that fever dream they call Shadowlands