Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race - 2024 (Part 2)

[Halga-emerald-dream (Halga)]

Amora..I don’t know if it was you who asked for Spellbreaker class to be playable further up on the thread few days ago/weeks ago or something or if it was someone else. 2 days ago when I changed spec on my Dark iron warrior from Arms to Protect spec. I noticed something. On the right side of Prot spec there is a skill called Spellbreaker…Do we “kind of” already have Spellbreaker class or play the warrior as “kind of” Spellbreaker, just missing for warrior to be able to use Glaive weapons with Shield.

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1235023/spellbreaker

It has the Blood elf Spellbreaker helmet on its Icon.

Have not seen that before…well I have not played protect spec before. Im just playing the spec for fun. If we never will get Spellbreaker class I hope Blizzard could let warriors have access to/be able use Glaive weapon with shield.

[Carnifex-azjolnerub]

@Linir-twisting-nether

Amazing how you can justify all other races but cant do the same for High Elves when they have been consistently shown with presence and numbers consistent with other existing races.

You can justify the dranei tribes on a ship size of a mountain, let’s ignore the lightforge which are probably even less in number, and not take into consideration the Elven Population for at least 2 cities.

Draeneis came in ships the size of a mountain. Described and shown by the way. Think about what that implies. But i guess you think there were only 3 people in those ships. Mag’har wasn’t just one clan. But i guess you think that a clan has 3 people in them each. Lightforged are made, not born and sure as hell aren’t all living on a single ship. Just like void elfs. Except they have existed for thousands of years.

I can actually justify there being no playable high elf because of their population and there being recorded how many died. 90% and the vast majority of those remaining 10% decided to change their name to blood elfs. Presence, sure. Again, not zero. Numbers, not in the tens of thousands.

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

And Dranei and Maghar are on the tens of thousands? Is that your justification? Absolute nonsense. Saying 90% of them died without hard population numbers is meaningless. But using your hyperbole, for you it means 3 of them survived.

You cant justify anything when you excuse Void Elfs and in the same breath say High Elves have no numbers for a AR. Warm up before that reach.

[Kaeros-dentarg]

I of course agree with you, but as you said yourself you’ve seen these debates for years. Every point has a counter-point…and if they don’t, those who want Alliance High Elves simply invent.

The truth of course is that you are citing the lore reason Alliance High Elves aren’t playable. The pro High Elf folk will cite every other race in the game that is near extinction such as the Draenei or the Gnomes, but they always do so because they think that that is the level of population the Alliance High Elves are at.

The Draenei and the Gnomes ARE at a low population level. Do you know who else is at a similar level? Blood Elves. And Alliance High Elves are but a fraction of that. So it isn’t that those races aren’t endangered, it is that Alliance High Elves are only at a fraction of what they are and so are below viability.

But that is the lore reason.

The gameplay reason is they don’t want to give a core Horde race to the Alliance unaltered…and when that is stated you prompt a deluge of denial (mixed with fan-fiction) of how they are totally different.

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

Ofc you do agree with nonsense.

You are the master of it. Back to the naughty box. What an obvious bait and switch.

[Kaeros-dentarg]

Hey he’s the one citing an official reason as to why they aren’t playable.

You’re the one making stuff up

[Carnifex-azjolnerub]

@Linir-twisting-nether

And Dranei and Maghar are on the tens of thousands? Is that your justification? Absolute nonsense. Saying 90% of them died without hard population numbers is meaningless. But using you hyperbole for you it means 3 of them survived.

You cant justify anything when you excuse Void Elfs and in the same breath say High Elves have no numbers for a AR. Warm up before that reach.

And what are you counter arguments except “nuh uh you can’t say that!”?. You are just questioning what i’m saying without backing that up except with banter. “Arguments” with my 10 year old cousins are more reasonable than this.

Gameplay wise, sure. More races, more fun. But that begs the question, what does the horde get?. Be a bit unfair for the Horde to have one race less, right? Is that fair?
Lore wise? Nope. Unless Blizzard comes out with a huge lore dump that make sense and says the helfs population has grown rapidly since they haven’t really done anything with them for years.

[Carnifex-azjolnerub]

People question mag’har, draeneis and lightforged but no one questions mechagnomes We got them and now we haven’t seen them since. At least not what i can recollect. I’m sure we’ll see plenty of lightforged in Midnight but no mechagnomes lol

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

@Carnifex-azjolnerub

And what are you counter arguments except “nuh uh you can’t say that!”?

What are yours? Pulling numbers out of thin air? Nice party trick.

@Carnifex-azjolnerub

Arguments” with my 10 year old cousins are more reasonable than this.

Oh look veiled insults. Beneath any response. Maybe pull some numbers out of thin air to entertain your cousins next time.

@Carnifex-azjolnerub

Gameplay wise, sure. More races, more fun. But that begs the question, what does the horde get?. Be a bit unfair for the Horde to have one race less, right? Is that fair?

Go on make a thread for that. If you read the title of the thread this is not about the horde.

@Carnifex-azjolnerub

Lore wise? Nope. Unless Blizzard comes out with a huge lore dump that make sense and says the helfs population has grown rapidly since they haven’t really done anything with them for years.

You should catch up on a few expansions since the WoTLK.

[Kaeros-dentarg]

Mechagnomes had a whole patch zone dedicated to them. Even a comic featuring them as I recall. And they were on the same side as their parent race (parent being the core race they are a variant of) meaning they were taking nothing away from anyone else. It’s enough.

[Carnifex-azjolnerub]

@Linir-twisting-nether

What are yours? Pulling numbers out of thin air? Nice party trick.

@Linir-twisting-nether

Oh look veiled insults. Beneath any response. Maybe pull some numbers out of thin air to entertain your cousins next time.

Google is your friend.

[Carnifex-azjolnerub]

That’s what i mean. Nothing more with them since. But it’s the same with every allied race so far. Really no spotlight and that would be nice if they could give.

But yeah its the same with mechagnomes. They come from…..gnomes. Some might find it surprising they aren’t born that way.

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

Right back at you. You said you followed the conversation for years, so stop asking tired old questions.

This conversation has reached its natural conclusion. Adios.

[Carnifex-azjolnerub]

@Carnifex-azjolnerub

Seen this discussion for years.

Would be nice if you could read next time. And do the same with lore so you can actually give some counter arguments. Giving “nu uh” as an answer works in pre-school.

[Korishu-pyrewood-village]

Waving numbers here and there is - sorry, not sorry - STUPID take …

Draenei didn’t came in tens of thousands, but if you’re using properly that what grows on your neck you’d know and you’d see they’re distinct separate race. Thus they became a core Alliance race.

Earthen are constructs of Titans - they’re the original uncorrupted version of all known Dwarves (either be it Dark Iron or Classic Dwarf).

Mechagnomes - same as Earthen!

Both of mentioned above are distinct from their ‘Curse of Flesh’ corrupted versions.

It’s not a number what makes a race, it’s their obvious difference - thus even there would be only 10 Draenei, they’re still a separate race cause they’re different to any other core race in game.

Same principle goes for Void Elves - not big in numbers - but possesed/corrupted/altered by void. Change to the core what makes them distinct from other Blood Elves.

The biggest possibility here is that Void Elves and Blood Elves will get more customization options leaning towards High Elven Culture (same as we get Amani Customization for Darkspear Trolls).

Other possibility (though I am sceptic about it) is to ‘unify’ all Thalassian Elves under one banner and one name - Quel’dorei - making them true neutral race, being able to act with both factions, being able to choose your desired racial ability (either classic arcane torrent or other voidy thingy)

Alliance High Elves = Horde Twilight Hammer Humans
that’s what I see when people are asking for High Elves

Even with 500 new customizations to look like TRUE High Elf, people will still complain about one thing - your name tag will not say high elf and I think for some people this is a huge existential crisis …

Personal wish - stop this nonsense with adding new races every single expansion - rather focus on story development and world evolution (yeah, Hyjal still burns … yeah Ashenvale has still a magmalord floating over a mountain… yeah, there are still Legion ships over Broken Isles … yeah, two warfronts are still active even after war is over)

EDIT: Personally I like we have customizaton for both void or blood elves to look more like original high elves - we can have nice skin tones, blue eyes … but what’s enough for me it’s not enough for others. More customization would be cool, but I wouldn’t go die hard to get high elves as separate race).

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

@Carnifex-azjolnerub

Would be nice if you could read next time.

Would be nice if you engaged on an honest conversation instead of strawmans. There wont be a next time, Im already tired of your immature behaviour.

@Carnifex-azjolnerub

And do the same with lore so you can actually give some counter arguments.

The futility of a conversation when the other person just gives nonsense as “arguments”.

You contradicted yourself several times.

@Carnifex-azjolnerub

Giving “nu uh” as an answer works in pre-school.

That’s why your “arguments” failed.
Are you 12? You keep repeating the same insults. Reflects poorly on you.

[Carnifex-azjolnerub]

@Korishu-pyrewood-village

Alliance High Elves = Horde Twilight Hammer Humans
that’s what I see when people are asking for High Elves

The twilight hammer? Whoever though that was a good idea didn’t think it through.

@Korishu-pyrewood-village

EDIT: Personally I like we have customizaton for both void or blood elves to look more like original high elves - we can have nice skin tones, blue eyes … but what’s enough for me it’s not enough for others. More customization would be cool, but I wouldn’t go die hard to get high elves as separate race).

Best of both worlds. I like it. More customization is always a win. Void elfs have it, void elfs are blood elfs and blood elfs are technically still high elf.

[Carnifex-azjolnerub]

Projection, projection.

@Linir-twisting-nether

This conversation has reached its natural conclusion. Adios.

Seems like you can’t get enough of me

[Linir-twisting-nether (Linir)]

@Korishu-pyrewood-village

Alliance High Elves = Horde Twilight Hammer Humans
that’s what I see when people are asking for High Elves

More like Horde Dranei.

Human counterpart would be orcs.

@Korishu-pyrewood-village

Waving numbers here and there is - sorry, not sorry - STUPID take …

My point from the start.

@Korishu-pyrewood-village

Even with 500 new customizations to look like TRUE High Elf,

Instead of 500 costumizations, one AR is enough, already present in the lore and in game on the alliance side.

@Korishu-pyrewood-village

Personally I like we have customizaton for both void or blood elves to look more like original high elves - we can have nice skin tones, blue eyes … but what’s enough for me it’s not enough for others.

Agree.

@Korishu-pyrewood-village

I wouldn’t go die hard to get high elves as separate race

Thats the point around here tho.

@Korishu-pyrewood-village

I think for some people this is a huge existential crisis …

Read around, not just for the HE fans… Lets be fair.

[Alfiriniel-silvermoon]

No not the point I was making. I was just surprised by Lor’Themar his indirect involvement via Dar’Khan Drathir, I kind of chuckled by the fact that Kurog dropped by at their wedding. That I didn’t know.

So yes I learned something new.