Incorrect. High Elves and Blood Elves are now two seperate peoples. The problem now is to demonstrate the differences between the two.
You know NOTHING about quel dorei’s lore
I may and would not erase the splinter factions of the helfs, but the Horde elves didn’t turn into orcs or trolls, they remained elves, loyal to their own culture, adapting to the changes that were force don them. You seem to make it look like their culture is entireley different based on the faction they are allied with, but in reality, Horde, Allaince, they are the same evles. You people are trying to push your headcanon as fact. It’s not gonna work.
Also the only difference between belfs and helfs was their political alignment, used to be the green eyes but even those went away. That headcanon again.
And to be honest, I have no issue with the belfs trying to quit the Horde when Garrosh was trying to kill them off. Not the first time that happened. The only issue I would have with that is that they went to the Alliance, who has shafted them in the past which made even less sense. Still, it’s not such a big deal. And we both know they weren’t gonna take a Horde race and just switch it to the Alliance. That’s stupid. So I’m still not sure what you are trying to get at here.
The belf font of magic is filled with light, nowhere does it say there’s fel in it, it fact it clearly states it was cleansed of fel. That’s one thing. The Legions, the guys practicing the Fel thing are also gone, so unless you can give me specific examples concerning the belfs still being infested by fel, I can’t consider this anything but even more headcanon.
And yeah, they are the same species with different adaptations. Sunstriders were right there at the sundering, banished after and turned into helfs by their living habitats, not by anything else. They didn’t mix with anything, didn’t drink from a magic pool that turned them into something else like the trolls did. They just adapted to their new lifestyle. So yeah, same species.
And as previously stated, I don’t fault the belfs from trying to leave the Horde given what Garrosh was trying to do. I just think that them going to the Alliance was stupid. And the purge of Dalaran underlined that stupidity. To add insult to injury the ones who orchestrated the purge are still prancing around unpunished in any way, so I think you can wave bye-bye to that avenue.
Alleria and Sylvanas are iconic. Vareesa is, or was Rhonin’s arm candy. Her role in the overall story is marginal, reduced to either being an anti-belf story device or a lame character with no more purpose like she became in War Crimes. Sorry, but the best thing she could do, including for you people and your argument is to simply fade way.
Anyway, you talk crap. But that’s nothing new in this thread.
No, it’s not a love that is normal though and this applies to ALL Highborne bloodline races.
The first Highborne of Quel’Thalas used the nature of that land and bent it to their will. Timelocked it into an eternal spring…this isn’t a love for nature, this is a “bend it to our will.”
Which is fine, in fact - it’s great because it fits with their ancestry…but it’s not a love for nature, it’s a “lets use arcane magic and bend nature to serve our needs.”
We know the Highborne view on nature is “just a tree, and a forest…it’s a gathering of trees.”
They have to be built - they can still be created in the form of Thalassian structures and this could be the difference with the High Elves, in comparison to Blood Elves and Void Elves, but the High Elves use the modern day Thalassian buildings, but combine it with the old Highborne structures. You could easily update the ruins of Shandaral with Highborne buildings (see Nar’thalas Academy) and blend the two together so you have this “Quel’dorei/Alliance” paradise, which is clearly very different from their kins in Quel’Thalas and on Telogrus Rift.
I can say now, that this character would 100% be race changed to a High Elf Hunter, because I’ve always wanted to play a High Elf Ranger. Proud Farstrider and Defender of Shandaral, Capital of the Quel’dorei
Incorrect. The Horde Elves was changed almost completely. From their outright defeat by the Scourge to the loss of their Sunwell then became refugees as they lost their home. The very language changed to speaking Orcish which I think is the main Horde language.
So it is not headcannon. What do you think becomes of a people. Say for example Russians were no longer permitted to speak Russians then had to speak in Chinese instead. Do you think the culture and the people will not change?
Incorrect again. Already explained several times that Elves in world of Warcraft are a magical species whose bodies dna and very souls change depending on the magics exposed to. Felblood Elves is just one stage of Fel corruption. But the High Elves did not share the Horde Elves fel corruption and path of devolution such as the Fel Wretched.
Incorrect again. Garithos was part of the Alliance of Lordaeron. A seperate organisation to the Grand Alliance that exists today. It is similar to when Horde players tried to blame the Alliance for High Exarch Yrel kicking the butts of the Maghar Orcs. WE had nothing to do with that conflict. High Exarch Yrel done that on her own.
So yes. Some among the Horde care nothing for the Horde Elves betrayal.
So there should be no surprise since that is just what they do. It is their nature.
To betray ones oaths and bonds just because things got a little tough. Speaks much of the Horde Elves.
The Sunwell is one thing. But Fel corruption is something else.
It is literally within their blood. Something all Blood Elves was born with. Vareesa Sanguinar confirmed it in the comics when Varian’s strong willed side was part of the gladiator pits of the Horde
Don’t you think that is sexist? To reduce a woman to just some guys arm candy?
Yes the mix race couples is something frowned upon by Horde players and they consistently attack the mix race people conceived of such romances. But Vareesa has been a prominent figure of the Kirin Tor. Who has kicked the butts of the Horde Elves and continue the High Elf vs Blood Elf rivalries.
So she is not as accomplished as her sisters. Banshee queen and founder of the Forsaken - Warchief and tyrant. Fought a 1000 year war against the Manari and Burning Legion. But Little Vareesa has had her own accomplishments. So she does not diminish the Windrunner name.
You have to make an argument. Otherwise it is no different to a toddler calling me a doo doo head.
I agree but it seems Blizzard going to make it easy for themshelves and make Silvermoon neutral in Midnight. And I am/was one of the ones who wanted to have Crystalsong forest as Alliance High elves own home. Love the mystical music there. How the area is and the birch trees there in Forlorn woods can made to look similar to Quel’thalas forest by healing/fixing the arcane mana ley lines and also as I said before help the Blue dragonflight defend their Arcane wells to have access to them. Also Northrend is were we met the Silver covenant and they been trying to reconnect how they were back in Warcraft 2, Also love the Colors that Silver covenant wears white, blue and silver armor. And now that we helped the Blue dragonflight by helping the Highborne ghosts in Crystalsong forest to move on from their ancient curse. There is still a chance we might get it but won’t be until The Last titan when we return to updated/revmap Northrend.
From our US elven friends. Suggesting a reskinned Night elf based off Malygos model.
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!!! Someone brought this up on Twitter but they pointed out how the unique Malygos model he got in Dragonflight would be a PERFECT High Elf allied race model! This is it for anyone who doesn’t remember:
https://x.com/valarynn/status/1838365693726822637
( I can’t post images D: )
It’s basically a mix of a Night Elf and Blood Elf model, using more Night Elf-y idle animations. This is perfect because it keeps them visually distinct enough and also highlights their difference in culture! It’s also a nice callback to how High Elves have been using Night Elf voices for the last 2 decades lol
I think this would be the perfect route to go for a High Elf AR honestly, as it would dispel complaints about a “third thalassian model” without making High Elves unrecognizeable to those who have been asking for them for years! This model + tons of new hair and warpaint and jewelry options would feel super unique and fresh!
I also feel like Blizz wouldn’t make this new unique model for Malygos just to have him use it in like 3 minutes of questing in Azure Span. Surely they have bigger plans for this rig? I can’t believe I never thought of this before!
https://x.com/Portergauge/status/1831036300226707638
https://x.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1832982882534469777
https://x.com/LeafyMoogle/status/1832894925052289384
There are other Night elf reskinned races like Nightborne, Zandalari trolls even the new ones…what’s they called. Those who are half-elf and half-troll…Harronir are reskinned Night elves.
Hmm seems Alleria have taken lead roll for Silver covenant. Maybe that’s why she has not spent any time training with the Void elves.
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Oh, so a language changed them so much? Are you trying to annoy me or something? Throwing that crap at me.
If the belfs underwent a change so did the helfs, but you see them as they were in Warcraft III. They didn’t turn green or started adding dead bits to their armors. They remain elves.
And it is very much head cannon. It’s a sad attempt to pretend they are so different they might be a new species when in fact they aren’t. All that to justify an full cloning.
And if you are right, show me the proof. Show me where it says that the belfs are tainted, right now. Their exposure to the demon crap was brief and it wasn’t even the majority of their population. So yeah, headcanon. You just made up a story in your head and are flailing it around thinking that if you pretend it’s a fact, you might fool others into it. It’s actually insulting that you think people are actually that stupid.
I said nothing about the Grand Alliance, I only said that a leader sending them to die was not new to them. I didn’t try to blame it on the Alliance for that. The current Alliance did their part in trying to shaft them before, right when they were at their weakest and because of that going to them was stupid. So stop overusing the word incorrect when you can’t even read properly. It’s making me think I’m speaking to a special needs person.
Also quit with the fel corruption headcanon. There is not one instance in lore or in game that I’ve seen where lingering effects of fel corruption among the belfs is brought up. Not one. Seriously it’s getting ridiculous.
And no, I don’t think it’s sexist. She’s not a woman, she’s a fictive character and I didn’t reduce her to that, Knaak did. So go drop your woke outrage at his door.
And the crap talk continues.
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To me, it’s more a Blood Elf/Nightborne mix.
Nightborne stance with Blood Elf skin tones.
If they do that, High Elves can’t be playable because they don’t have that basic thing that they can call their own, nor would it be technically aligned with the faction that Silvermoon leans towards. The difference between High Elves and Mag’har is that Mag’har had the WoD build up and are aligned with the Horde.
High Elves aren’t aligned with Silvermoon’s overall faction and to qualify for an allied race, you need to have a build up and/or have your own nation.
It’s why Zandalari work perfectly, despite me not being a Troll player. We know the Zandalari have had such a large build up since Classic and then things got major in Cataclysm and Mists…they’ve always been there and they’ve always been their own thing, separate from the Darkspears
It’s why, no matter what, races like High Elves, Naga and San’layn must be independent and not leach off their core race counterparts.
I know, it would be best and more interesting for Alliance High elves. Crystalsong forest would be the perfect home for them and give them all the mana they need from the Ley lines and arcane wells there. The High elves could be paler due to the mana withdrawl over the years. But I think Blizzard just make them Neutral in Midnight with the “Uniting the scattered Elven tribes” but I quess we see in two years or so.
Perhaps but then again the Nightborne and Night elves are similar, so its easy to think a Nightborne is a Night elf far away or the Malygos High elf model is more closer to the old wow High elves from Vanilla/Classics. Either way the first High elves in wow were based of Night elves before they got a new model in TBC with the Blood elves. I think it could work but I hope the Male High elf share the Void/Blood elf Hunter bow animation than Male Night elf Hunter bow animation. Also if they could find the voice actors that did the Night elves and Alliance High elf voices. As the Blood elves sound more angry and sinister in their voice, the Alliance High elves is more calm and deep like the Night elves. And the Blood elves are more Imperialistic elves and the Alliance High elves is more Kingdom elves.
You can see the Highborne legacy from Malygos watching in this clip. Tall and Proud Highborne.
Even Sindragosa have different stance/posture then female Blood elves. Seems something between Blood elf female and Night elf female. Just like Malygos.
San’layn is however are gone, well the Lich King Arthas San’layn that is as they were wiped out in BFA. But there was a newly created one that lead the attack on Quel’thalas in the Blood elf paladin quest line. So someone must have taken over the Scourge. I think I know who. However in Legion we now know there are more ancient San’layn out there in Azeroth (not created by the Lich King) as we found an ancient Vrykul that was a Vampire San’layn that have been sleeping for a long time. So perhaps there are San’layn out there with a new model. To give the race that Horde players been asking about. Maybe in The Last Titan revamp Northrend there is a Tomb with vampires. Perhaps at that Black Castle to the west of Northrend in Icecrown that was never used really in WOTLK.
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I agree, but I think Crystalsong works as a build up the TLT, as that is a Northrend revamp and it would be an ideal time to update the Shandaral buildings to proper Highborne buildings.
As I’ve also mentioned, this could be what separates the High Elves from both Blood Elves and Void Elves…yes, they still use the Thalassian architecture, but they blend it with the “Nar’thalas-Highborne style” buildings of Shandaral. Then we can see a group of Thalassians that hold a deep connection to their ancestry, whilst Blood Elves focus purely on the Thalassian aesthetic and Void Elves do their own thing altogether.
I also think, putting the “Thalassian Arcane Mage” focus back onto the High Elves is also a good move. Obviously, the Blood Elf Mage thing can remain separate because that could be more fire-phoenix-blood magi and the former in Shandaral would work as that used to be a Highborne Arcane Mage city anyway.
San’layn seem to be used whenever the mood fits.
Personally, I do think the Night Elves make the best rivals to the San’layn because these two are the absolute polar opposites. Whilst the San’layn are former Blood Elves and it’s always nice to see the two against each other; for proper differences - Night Elves vs San’layn actually worked well.
I did love the Shandris vs Dreven because it highlighted how different the two peoples were. If Azeroth gets a full revamp and the Night Elves reclaim Darkshore, I’d love to see San’layn rebels vs Alliance Kaldorei again.
I think if Blizzard is gonna bring High Elves it would be Half Elves, i.e. Arathi. Otherwise I can’t imagine it.
Arathi Half elves will come as a customization for Humans, Kultiran Humans, Blood elf, Void elf as it been datamined. Ears that is. The Humans and Kultiran Humans will get pointy ears and the Blood elf, Void elf will get rounded ears. When we will get them is Unknown. Perhaps at the end of TWW as a reward.
Half elves are what high elves did.
Merging with humans and its disgusting.
blood elves don’t mingle with humans. We are better then that. Also notice it is by far the only race intercoruse we ever see. High elf woman and human man. Because Aragon is what all high elf rpers only care about.
It seems like Blood Elves also engage in race mixing.
The parents of these Half Elves will be revealed in time.
I wonder if Night Elves and Nightborne and other Elf variations took part.
Perhaps Blood Elves do engage in race mixing. Lorthermar and Thalyssra could have a hybrid born of their marriage.
Can you stop saying non sense things and without proofs etc?
Blood elves dont merge with other species
The Half Elves seem to be coming and here to stay. Faerin is the first of them.
So. When they arrive. Then it will be revealed who the parents are of the Half Elves. I am not the one that introduced them as a people. So if some Half Elves have Blood Elf parents. Take it up with Blizzard Entertainment.
Time will tell. There are changes that does not make sense such as Draenai and Lightforged Draenai Warlocks.
But hey.
Blood elves dont merges with humans
What cant you understand ?
With the introduction of the Half Elves new lore and such will be introduced. Maybe you are wrong. Who sired these Half Elves will looked into
You like to think it is all High Elves that sired these half Elves but who knows.
Do you know warcraft 3 basis lore?
Its scary how you re claiming non sense things on every messages you post
There are only 3 knowed half elf kids , all of them are from veressa and alleria
Faerin is not an half elf
There is absolutely not relation of any kind between humans and blood elves sinces they call themselves “blood elves”
Blood elves are an isolationist people