Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race - 2024

Moontear-ravencrest · May 21, 2024, 5:50pm

HIGHELVES AS ALLIED RACE , SILVER COVENANT FACTION TOPIC CONTINUES

Alliance High Elves as a Playable Race by @ [Leolamin]

Since the April 26th Q&A, the discussion on High Elves has grown heated, fractured, and unproductive. In an attempt to restore a structured course of discussion to continue efforts to show support for High Elves as a playable race, this thread will dissect the response given by Ion Hazzikostas during the Q&A regarding High Elves. By this we hope to not only create reasoned discussion, but focus it within one thread to restore the forums to the more peaceful state it was prior to the Q&A.

To begin with, the question and reply:

Question: When deciding on Allied Races, why did you choose Void Elves when High Elves seemed more of an organic and popular choice?

Answer: So, Blood Elves kind of are High Elves with different eye colors and backstory in terms of their relationship to magic in the Sunwell. But if you want to be a fair-skinned, light, blonde-haired, tall, majestic, elf… That is a Blood Elf.

Giving that race directly to the Alliance would have blurred a lot of the lines between the two factions, but also there isn’t a clear example of who or what High Elves are as a larger group which remains in Azeroth. There’s a couple… We just met Alleria again… But they’re not out there in the same way. When we add an Allied Race, there’s a desire to have things be even more distinct especially between the two factions with the faction conflict being so prominent. And so, the Void Elf angle, as it tied into the story of Argus, the powers of Alleria awakened and was able to train others to harness, was able to give something that felt a bit like a Blood Elf but had a unique flavor of its own to the Alliance.

That said, obviously I understand you would love Alliance elves… You’re an Alliance player, and want to be a fair-skinned, light-haired, blue-eyed elf. Sorry? The Horde is there and waiting for you. Eye color is not quite the same but maybe contact lenses in the future, you never know? Anything is possible in the future, but no plans in the near-term to add High Elves as an Allied Race.

We’ll look at the first part of the answer to begin with.

PART ONE:
BLOOD ELVES ARE HIGH ELVES

So, Blood Elves kind of are High Elves with different eye colors and backstory in terms of their relationship to magic in the Sunwell. But if you want to be a fair-skinned, light, blonde-haired, tall, majestic, elf… That is a Blood Elf.

This is nothing new, though the nature of the reply leaves much to be desired. It is widely acknowledge by all players, those in favor of High Elves and against, that the different eye color and relationship to the Sunwell is at the heart of the difference between Blood Elves and High Elves. No one disputes this, nor is it a point that needs to be disputed as it is the similarities between the two races which makes their unfolding story of conflict with one another both organic, and interesting.
That said, there is a clear logical fallacy in the words, “But if you want to be a fair-skinned, light, blonde-haired, tall, majestic, elf… That is a Blood Elf.”

This is like saying, “If you want to be a purple-skinned, muscular, white-haired, tall, majestic elf… that is a Night Elf.”

As one can immediately surmise, that description also applies to Nightborne, a Horde allied race. Did the Alliance have a monopoly on that appearance as this reply would seem to suggest the Horde has a monopoly on the appearance shared by High Elves and Blood Elves? The answer is no.

Why should the Horde be given this preferential treatment over the Alliance? Why should the Alliance lose it’s night elven aesthetic to the Horde, but the Horde maintain a monopoly on the Thalassian aesthetic?

There will never be an answer to that question which will be acceptable. The box was opened with Nightborne. It cannot be closed. The Horde has no right to preferential treatment over the Alliance. The scales may not always be balanced between the two factions, but in this case, there is no reason to leave them tilted.

PART TWO:
THE BLURRING OF FACTION LINES

Giving that race directly to the Alliance would have blurred a lot of the lines between the two factions, but also there isn’t a clear example of who or what High Elves are as a larger group which remains in Azeroth. There’s a couple… We just met Alleria again… But they’re not out there in the same way. When we add an Allied Race, there’s a desire to have things be even more distinct especially between the two factions with the faction conflict being so prominent. And so, the Void Elf angle, as it tied into the story of Argus, the powers of Alleria awakened and was able to train others to harness, was able to give something that felt a bit like a Blood Elf but had a unique flavor of its own to the Alliance.

First and foremost it must be stated clearly: Players do NOT want Blood Elves, when they’re asking for High Elves. Players want the Silver Covenant, the Highvale Elves, the Alliance Expedition High Elves. They don’t want Magister Umbric or Archmage Aethas, they want Vereesa Windrunner and Auric Sunchaser.

High Elves have been a part of the Alliance’s story for so long that there is no blurring of the lines between the two factions with their addition. If anything Void Elves blurred the lines by taking the edginess thematic of the Blood Elves and serving it to the Alliance with an actual group of former Blood Elves, rather than the Alliance’s own loyal High Elves.

We do have a clear example of who or what the High Elves are as a larger group which remains in Azeroth. The Silver Covenant has been the face of the High Elves since Wrath of the Lich King. If the Developers feel this is not enough, then it is time to focus on that identity until it has reached a point of satisfaction. Many players are satisfied with High Elves as they exist right now. If Blizzard isn’t, then it is upon Blizzard that the quality is brought up to the point they desire.

It has been noted in this reply that distinction between the two factions is important, especially with faction conflict being prominent. There is no greater symbol of the conflict between the Horde and the Alliance than that of the Blood Elves and the High Elves. Orcs vs. Humans may be the core of the conflict as the major identities of the Horde and Alliance, but Blood Elves vs. High Elves represents the spirit of it. They epitomize this conflict in ways both artful and subtle. Despite having so much in common, there is a brutal shared fear, paranoia, and even hatred which is based entirely in the perspective of each side, which perfectly mirrors that of the greater Horde and Alliance factions. There could be no better race to make playable in an expansion about faction conflict than the High Elves considering this.

The conflict between High Elves and Blood Elves has reached such incredible relevance that it’s become the ideal analogy, as powerful an image of the conflict as the ages old Orcs vs. Humans. One could go so far as to say the absence of the High Elves neuters the quality of faction conflict. Horde players have complained they feel no real attachment to the upcoming conflict, that they feel like villains rather than protagonists. Through these forums alone we see the conflict already between factions, just on the topic of High Elves. Horde players express their desire to wipe them out, Blood Elf players describe them as traitors, bringing up the Purge of Dalaran. It’s the ultimate expression of faction conflict condensed to one single, easy to add Allied Race. High Elves have done more to galvanize faction conflict than any other Allied Race could. At this point it is criminal to leave them out for any reason.

If you won’t add High Elves for the Alliance, at least do it for your Horde players to finally have a target they feel legitimized in attacking.

PART THREE:
THE HORDE IS WAITING FOR YOU

That said, obviously I understand you would love Alliance elves…you’re an Alliance player, and want to be a fair-skinned, light-haired, blue-eyed elf. Sorry? The Horde is there and waiting for you. Eye color is not quite the same but maybe contact lenses in the future, you never know? Anything is possible in the future, but no plans in the near-term to add High Elves as an Allied Race.

Considering how the previous part of the answer raised the issue of faction blurring, this reply is singularly self-defeating and antagonistic. The Horde should not be waiting for players wanting to be High Elves. The Horde should be sharpening their knives in anticipation of facing these players. By suggesting players seeking to play as High Elves should instead join the Horde, this reply is encouraging a blurring of the faction lines.

Not only that but the reply is insulting and once again, brings up the question raised from the first part of the reply. “If you want to play a purple-skinned, white-haired, tall majestic elf, the Alliance is waiting for you.” Except its not. The Horde has those very same options. The Alliance doesn’t have a monopoly on them. Why should the Horde have a monopoly on, “fair-skinned, light-haired, elves?”

It shouldn’t.

CONCLUSION:
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE IN THE FUTURE

The final words of this response are perhaps the most legitimate. Anything is Possible in the Future. High Elves are possible in the future. Well, they should be more than a possibility. They should be guaranteed. The Horde has no right to monopolize a specific aesthetic anymore than the Alliance does, and the fact this was alluded to as an acceptable answer to the matter is nothing short of ludicrous.

Speculation can be offered on the nature of this highly unsatisfactory answer. Perhaps the most probable is that it is too early to simply state that High Elves will come. Other races haven’t yet received Allied Races to expand on their own customization (Gnomes, Worgen, Forsaken, Goblins, Night Elves, and Blood Elves), and Void Elves still need to find their place in the narrative. Certainly discussing adding High Elves right now would marginalize players who genuinely approve of Void Elves, and players waiting to see what is in store for them and their favorite races which haven’t yet received new customization through Allied Races.

The above having been said, there were better ways to answer the question, but at least it ended with a kernel of hope for players still awaiting High Elves. Perhaps the greatest criticism about this answer, however, lays in how uninformed it is in regards to discussions had by players in what they would like to see with a High Elf Allied Race.
In short this post shall conclude with a question to those working on World of Warcraft at Blizzard themselves:

Why ask we, the players, what we would like to see for Allied Races, if you will reply as if you never listened?

High Elven Community FAQ

CLAIM :There aren’t enough High Elves left, I thought?[quote]

The Silver Covenant, the militarized organization of Dalaran High Elves (which have recently been clarified as being more numerous than once thought), have been present for many of the Alliance’s military operations in the past several expansions and have consistently fielded numbers that would suggest there are plenty of them left.

Similarly, Quel’Danil lodge in the Hinterlands and the Allerian Stronghold in Outland both show other independently organized High Elf forces that are not suffering in numbers.

In addition, Stormwind has its own High Elf population. There is more than enough evidence to suggest High Elves have enough numbers to be appropriate for an Allied Race, especially compared to what has been shown as appropriate for other examples such as the Lightforged or the Void Elves.

Source: In-game representation, out of game official canon text such as Chronicle Vol 3

CLAIM : I don’t want to see any more elves in this game!”
This is a subjective opinion, and a valid one, but not a reasonable argument against other people’s ability to ask for what they would also subjectively like to see.

CLAIM : Void Elves are the substitute
Void Elves were specifically and deliberately set up as being recent exiles from Silvermoon among the Blood Elf population. Their presence does not continue the separate High Elf story in any way and thus is not a reason for them not to be added.

{b]CLAIM[/b]: High Elves = Blood Elves = Void Elves
Both the in-game lore and the out of game official canon texts have very clearly set up the Thalassian elves as a split people, and the themes of mutual High Elf and Blood Elf resentment for each other is what led to the creation of the Silver Covenant in the first place. Furthermore, Chronicle has drawn further attention to the fact on some level this split was in the process of happening before Kael’Thas even renamed those who followed him to Blood Elves: tensions existed between the High Elves who chose to live in Dalaran and those who lived in Silvermoon, the latter considering the former to prefer the company of humans over the love of their own homeland.

Sources: In-game representation and lore as presented through Alliance questing, as well as out-of-game official canon text such as Chronicle Vol 3.

CLAIM : High Elves will cause population bleed on Horde side.
Considering Allied Races have so far required extra steps, such as having a max level character on the appropriate faction and gating behind reputations, along with the fact that Allied Races also have restricted class options (Death Knight and Demon Hunter are both very popular classes and would likely not be available), this outcome is unlikely. Adding to that, the fact that Horde edges out Alliance population-wise slightly at max level, and the fact that Void Elves, which brought the Blood Elf model to the Alliance to begin with, did not impact overall faction balance, and this is very likely not a very serious concern.

This text was created by Alurna@Moon-guard and had it’s HTML changed by Pontifice@Azralon.

Edit: Title was changed from
High Elves as an Alliance allied race to
Quel’dorei High Elves as an Alliance allied race

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Skullfox-argent-dawn · May 21, 2024, 5:51pm

Tell us all… Sing us your song again <.< Why the void elves… Even with High elf customization… Still doesn’t satisfy your high elf needs Moontear.

Anzhela-hyjal · May 21, 2024, 5:55pm

because of the ugly blue racial sprite and “void elf” tooltip

They look like High Elves, They Taste like High Elves, but they arent.

Skullfox-argent-dawn · May 21, 2024, 5:57pm

You want an entire new race… just because you can’t ignore that one racial ability?

They can give you new and cool high elf hair styles. And nobody could tell the difference.

And you could have an awesome two for the price of one race?<.<

What about! A glyph! that hides the void elf racial shadow stuff. And! awesome high elf hairstyles! Everybody wins! \o/ ?

Anzhela-hyjal · May 21, 2024, 6:05pm

i want nothing, the good high elve’s place is Blood elves side, not alliance side with
mixed couple HE-Human and bastard half elves babies

I m sorry sir but Void elves are litteraly a little small elite group of hundred(s)

High elve in alliance are more than thousand.

They are more legit than smurfelves

You want an entire new race… just because you can’t ignore that one racial ability?

You ignore at the beginning, but after moment you see only this sh** and its ruining RP, Totally

What about! A glyph! that hides the void elf racial shadow stuff. And! awesome high elf hairstyles! Everybody wins! \o/ ?

if the glyph changes the tooltip, yes.

Skullfox-argent-dawn · May 21, 2024, 6:09pm

I wonder if Moontear feels the same<.< his been fighting for this for years.

Anzhela-hyjal · May 21, 2024, 6:12pm

Its better than nothing but “void elf tooltip” + smurf racial = nothing

Twiluna-argent-dawn · May 22, 2024, 6:40am

Ill bump this thread to get rid of “system”

Shakim-archimonde · May 22, 2024, 6:42am

Marmar-hellscream · May 22, 2024, 7:49am

You’re doing it wrong. It has to be quel’dorei high elves. High elf high elves. Just like you of course always say sin’dorei blood elves and kaldorei night elves etc. Alsos everythings shoulds bes ins multiples, hes has beens verys clears thats yous cans addses ses tos anythings.

Anzhela-hyjal · May 22, 2024, 9:18am

OH MY F. LIGHT.

The Golden Staff of Sindorei in Silver recolor !

give it to me !

Moontear-ravencrest · May 22, 2024, 2:43pm

Nice. Question is , are we getting third faction for elves, or just queldorei playable.

Halga-emerald-dream · May 22, 2024, 9:07pm

The Silver version has been in the game as long as the Sin’dorai version, just not accessible by the players. Should have been available to the players at the same time as the Sindorai version. I hope it will now, I want that staff too. Better late then ever I quess. The mage armor comes in different colors.

Well now, what’s this?

Sunreavers and Silver covenant setting a side their differences. And maybe, maybe becoming friends.

Erevien goes.

…I just want to play war within right now and have Quel’dorei playable on the Alliance.

Edit:

Sad this PVP elite mage armor could not be obtainale through other means. With the silver version of the staff would look cool. A Hoodless version of the mage armor would been cool too.

Taladris-argent-dawn · May 23, 2024, 12:00pm

Looking at this screenshot seems like a heresy. Especially after being fresh from doing Landfall campaign in MoP Remix, Dalaran Purge in particular, where Silver Covenant went full Kristal Nacht on Sunreavers out there.

And we players also participated in both sides of the slaughter. Lo’themar in Sylvanas book called Dalaran a city of execution of his people when negotiations about how deal with the Legion were to take there.

As for High Elves being playable…well they are about to score another major hit with the fate that shall befall on Dalaran.

While Blood Elves have moved on and developed further.

Take note guys that splintering of Thalassian Elves took place in the year 22 after Third War concluded. TWW is taking place in the year 42. Full 20 years have passed in game since that time as will in real world as WoW will celebrate it’s 20th anniversary.

A normal person would come into terms that no Quel’dorei will be added as time is not in your favour.

As a last argument I will bring the most recent revelation.

TBC took place in the year 26. That means 14 years before TWW. Midnight will take place at least one if not two years. That makes it about 16 years after Sunwell’s restoration.

Every Blood Elf born at that time will be in full adolescent mode. At the very precipice of becoming adults.

To be blunt. While Dalaran falls and many High Elves score the state of total deadness, Blood Elves lead into adulthood a full post restoration Elven generation.

Blood Elves that remember nothing of the Scourge, Downfall, Destroyed Sunwell, Sunstriders or the fact why some salty from the Alliance cousins abhorre their very existence for no apparent reason, as they have done nothing to them

A full generation of people who only saw how their kingdom grows and rebuilds.

Blood Elves won. They are the future of Quel’thalas.

Guys let it go High Elves are thing of the past.

Ariâlyn-tyrande · May 24, 2024, 12:41am

Since you play an elf yourself you should know that their life span is much longer than humans’; then what makes you say that a 16 year-old would be a teenager?

Taladris-argent-dawn · May 24, 2024, 5:57am

Because of Sylvanas Book? We got a pretty detailed cross section of an entire Thalassian society and a bit of a their physiology as well.

Elves do mature at the same pace as Humans do. They age at a much slower pace.

I will give a few examples of some racial and societal traits of Thalassian Elves.

They have mostly golden or white hair. Black and red are quite rare sight in what Sylvanas described as “sea of gold and white”
They have predetermined appearance once they grow up. One Elf may look like experienced 40 year old but just barely hit adulthood.
While other may look like a brat that just had 18th birthday few days ago, but actually is hundreds of years old.
Lor’themar have always had an old look. Sylvanas commented on it on two occasions. One where she saw him for the first time as a little girl and second when she was an adult.
While Halduron have always had boyish look. By the time all 3 Windrunner sisters became adults, he looked younger than them. Even Lirath had more mature look.
Elves are not agists. Many pairs have tremendous age difference between them that can span centuries. One Elf may walk alone for ages until their destined one is born.
The best example was when Sylvanas teamed up with Lor’themar and Halduron. Two Elves being much older than her. But they welcomed her as if she has always been their friend, as if they were waiting for her.
Thalassians have a very homogenous society. By looking at one Elf you can get a general view of an entire race. Most of them are content living in Quel’thalas.
Very few are of them step out of the line. Alleria was one of them. And was quite vocal about it.
Their general view on Humanity was a form of “done deal”. They believed that shared past during Troll wars was a business that got concluded and there is no need to develop any relations further beyond that.
Hawkstriders were base ground mounts for Thalassians. But King Anasterian kept exclusive and luxurious stables of Coursers that were being awarded to the esteemed Elves.
Thalassian society was very strict and very stiff in terms of training their young. The term of a “late bloomer” didn’t exist to them. Young Elf either showed a talent for something or at least was average enough to be accepted into Rangers for example.
If they were utterly hopeless then it was decided they would become someone else even if they did start to show signs of said talent in later years.
The only exception to this rule were hereditary ranks like Ranger General. The direct heir was being groomed into one regardless of their talent and skill.

Best examples are Windrunners. Alleria who was an average Ranger, far inferior to Sylvanas was still being destined to become a Ranger General because that was the tradition.

While Lirath Windrunner was denied to become a Ranger because he was totally hopeless and became a musician. Though as an adult he showed surprising display of long dormant talent and could become a successful Ranger if not for some tragic events.

Thalassians are very dedicated to their tradition and to Quel’thalas. Anyone who doesn’t fit in is viewed as a freak and anomaly. Alleria never truly had any connection with her homeland and mostly sticked to her own likeminded gang. One that followed her into Draenor and now are sitting ducks at Allerian Stronghold.
Most of self imposed exiles from Quel’thalas that we see in Human ranks by the time of Warcraft 3 were Elves that lost everything during Second War. Their entire families being slaugthered, filled them with vengeance. Once the war was over and Orcs were defeated, those Elves didn’t have a home and family to return to.
Though some of them did after Third War when universal sense of loss and despair in Quel’thalas allowed those vagabond Elves return and connect with their people and work on the shared future.
Every dark choice,every risky move, any mistake that Blood Elves did during the period od destroyed Sunwell was but a mean to an end. And the end goal was always to restore their kingdom and former glory. No radical move was branded as permanent. Once Sunwell was back entire nation began to swiftly remove them like Burning Crustals for example.

To put it simply Blood Elves are the High Elves because they display every trait that do defines them as such. While the “Quel’dorei” of the Alliance are everything that true Quel’dorei even before the downfall utterly despised.

Shakim-archimonde · May 29, 2024, 6:26pm

Now (TWW) High Elf and Void Elf NPCs share their hairstyles.
This sharing of hairstyles should also be available to players…

Kaiine-argent-dawn · May 29, 2024, 6:32pm

The recent questline does show void elves using the high elf features; but they have void elf voice-lines.

So, I guess the debate can remain open because void elves with the high elf features are, by canon standards, void elves.
Look at the new NPCs, which cover a Void Elf Hunter (Lyria Skystrider), Void Elf Monk (Ennas the Faithfallen) as well as a Void Elf Priestess (I forgot her name) but she does look like a High Elf, but clearly uses void magic.

Shakim-archimonde · May 30, 2024, 6:28am

Shakim-archimonde · May 30, 2024, 6:35am