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High elves and void elves both should be deleted from the game. So that blood elves remain supreme as the true thalassian elves of this game.
The major problem with the playerbase that wants High Elves as playable is the point of view they see High Elves as.
So let me elaborate on the matter. Alliance Players envision High Elves as the exact copy of the Blood Elves only on the Alliance side. Which is an absolute wrong thinking.
Current Alliance High Elves are nothing like true Thalassian Elves. Because they do not adhere to the basic concept of being dedicated to their Homeland which is a common trait for a citizen of Quel’thalas.
Many times during many debates one topic was always risen that High Elves joined the Alliance because they refused to follow the pragmatic, tough choiced that the rest of the nation had to take in order to survive. Not everyone was as “lucky” as Vereesa Windrunner to have her personal Human mage to draw magical energy from his “Magic Rod” upon Sunwell’s destruction.
Many Alliance Players tend to put Quel’danil Lodge as perfect example of High Elven society imbedded with the Alliance…except it’s not. As of right now Highvales ceased any practice of magic. Something that defined their people for 7 thousand years, something their ancestors left shores of Ashenvale to escape Night Elf prosecution for practicing Arcane Arts.
For this full on Kaldorei move against Magic, Highvales of Quel’danil literally emasculated seven millenia of legacy. Which is a major drift away from Thalassian culture. In other words. They are not typical High Elves.
Another issue is the fact that remaining High Elf dissidents seek no independent or autonomous activity. Meaning they have no economy, no infrastructure and no representation within the Alliance that would put them on the same level as Prophet Velen, Tyrande and Muradin. Alleria is no High Elf. Not anymore so we can’t use her as an example.
Over the past few years Blood Elves returned to their High Elven roots more than Alliance High Elves could ever do it. The infamous Mana Drain from living beings experienced Nation Wide Cease of Practice, once Sunwell was restored. And with it’s restoration, many questionable choices made by the Blood Elves also were withdrawn.
Quel’thalas is a Natural Enviroment for any Thalassian Elf. It is THERE where they are born. It is THERE where they grow up. It is THERE where their native language is commonly used. It is THERE where their culture is being practiced and doesn’t clash with any other.
I previous debates the matter of Eldre’thalas or now known as Dire Maul was being brought up as potential home for the High Elves. Again the statement is wrong because Alliance High Elves do not seek such goal. They exist for the Alliance and are so blended in within it and scattered around that it is impossible for them to unify into one big group.
They have no official leadership outside of Silver Covenant who’s Ranger General Vereesa Windrunner threw her lot with a Human and as a result spawned non-elven progeny. Something that Grand Magistrix Elissande accused High Elves of in general, giving the idea it might much more common practice among them.
Alliance Players want their High Elves to act and live like they were in Quel’thalas. But outside of Quel’thalas…and of course on Alliance side. A copy paste culture but painted blue.
The reason why it was done with the Pandaren is because Tushui and Houjin are two philosophies practiced by the same people. Thalassian Elves do not have such cultural dualism.
Thalassian Culture has always been about independence, pride, grace and magic. Quel’thalas is a Magical Kingdom.
Highvales for abandonning the practice of magic ceased to become a Thalassian Elf model
Silver Covenant although made out of only High Elves is not entirely independent because officialy it does serve either the Alliance or remains under Dalaran Council’s thumb. It is led by an Elf that married Human and gave non-elven children. Entire organization is based within Magical City inhabited by many races where common language is that of Human, not Thalassian.
Any other pockets of High Elven population such as Allerian Stronghold also do not have any independent activity since they are part of Sons of Lothar.
Creating secong Quel’thalas for Alliance High Elves is just as possible as creating New England in America. We all know how it ended and how English colonists have changed drasticly from their British counterparts.
The longer High Elves remain outside of Quel’thalas and continue to be part of Human, Dwarven or even Kaldorei cultures, the less they practice their own one. In Stormwind you live in Human house and day by day use their language and style of life.
As for now their unification is pretty much impossible. Because how do you combine Highvales that abolished magic, with Dalaran High Elves that thrive on magic?
Blood Elf Heritage Armor quest has one memorable quote made by Lady Liadrin when you are asked to light the memorial lantern on Isle of Quel’danas to see Anasterian’s Last stand. This act is called “The last ACT of the High Elves.”
This is the moment when their era ended and their legacy is carried by the Blood Elves. Sin’dorei that speak word Quel’dorei with respect and reverie.
For this is the name of those who died so that they who survived might live. And those who live carry on their legacy, have buried their loved ones, rebuilt their homes and preserved everything that High Elves of Quel’thalas ever held dear.
Quel’thalas itself post TBC is right on cource toward stability and prosperity. Another memorable quote made by Lor’themar Theron is “Rebulding Consinues.”
Because there is only ONE Quel’thalas. Only ONE Silvermoon. Only ONE Sunwell. Only ONE Thalassian Culture. Only ONE Thalassian Language.
And there is only ONE people, called by Auric Sunchaser of Allerian Stronghold as “Children of Silvermoon” that Kael’thas renamed Blood Elves in HONOR of butchered High Elves.
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The blood elves are the copy. Added in tbc. High elves = alliance race
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Ignore the buffoon, everyone else does.
Also, Vereesa is really not a good poster child for the Alliance High Elves, given…the…shall we say unconventional nature of her relationship as a minor too young to fight in the Second War given what we know of Elven Ageing, and yet going off to have kids with Rhonin.
I mean I’m not sayin-Actually, no, I am saying that Blizz wrote a teen groomer into their games. Thanks Knaak. Big Help. Love to see how Blizz PR will handle that.
Did I mention that this guy knows nothing? I just thought I would emphasise that. They actually think that Blood Elves are the Copy! Hells, Give the Alliance the original High Elven models, and stick to it, that would be -Hilarious-!
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Original “Thalassian” model was given to all Thalassians.
- Blood elf NPC’s
- High elf NPC’s
- Sylvanas NPC
this was all updated in Burning crusade. As they are supposed to look different model wise than their Kaldorei ancestors.
I do disagree with Retributer tho. High elves were not updated first.
This is true, but two of those existed in Vanilla, and used the Kaldorei model.
Then in TBC Blood Elves were made playable, and -that- is when the other models were updated with their skeleton.
And always disagree with Retributor, it is the only way to retain sanity 
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Granted, but on the flipside the allied race system is geared to implement new races quick and cheap with minimal fuss.
Asking a real question here; what’s the current consensus on what’s desirable in a hypothetical high elf subrace? Besides existing skintones and eye colours that you could replicate the look with a void elf? New hair? They’re not visually distinct enough as it is with the inclusion of non purplish skin for void elves and blue eyed blood elves.
Also, if it’s just about the lore of high elves being alliance, would you be satisfied if a new lore blurb says that all remaining high elves became void elves by now?
That “random video” was an official promotion trailer made by Blizzard. If you had been around then, and had a basic understanding of the high and blood elves, you’d realise this.
I won’t quote everything you’re writing, but I’ll quote this for essence. Because mostly, you’re completely right. The only thing you’re missing, is that most of us who want playable high elves realise all you’re saying, and still want them. We don’t want to pretend we’re somehow sort of in Quel’Thalas. High elves are exiles, struggling to find a real home, struggling with being abandoned, or, more so, having abandoned their own families and communities, with questioning whether they made the right choice, and much more.
Blood elves are the true carriers of the old high elven legacy. Absolutely. Blood elves are also a part of the Horde, and is influenced by those cultures and peoples. High elves are exiles, remnants of ideas, history and principles not shared with the blood elves. Not anymore. High elves are Alliance. High elves need to forge a new future, outside of Quel’Thalas.
You go by what you have in common. It’s uncertain, though, if the Highvale elves have stuck to their anti magic beliefs in recent years, and even if they have, that doesn’t have to keep them from allying with their magic wielding kin.
High elves make up a race of schisms, both between the high elven groups, but also between high elves and other elves. The most obvious schism is between high and blood elves. The high elves kept the name, but the blood elves carry most of the legacy. The two groups are at odds, and have been at open war with one another. High and void elves might be allies, but are different in many ways still, and not just physical. All the void elves we know for sure, were once blood elves, and high elves having become void elves are plausible, I’d even say likely, but not confirmed. So the void elves whose backgrounds we know, were once on team “Exile the mana vegans, play with the Horde”. High and night elves have a history of distrust and thinly veiled hostility, although this has changed in the last few years, as seen when Vereesa and Shandris temaed up to face the Horde threats in Theramore.
All in all, high elves do have a rich and diverse history, intricately tied into the Alliance, as well as into their blood elven kin. Blood elves and high elves are no longer open enemies, as the fourth war is over, and there’s, for now, a peace between the Alliance and the Horde. But they remain in their factions, and should war break out again, they will once again be enemies.
And I want to fully play on the high elven side of that schism.
Let me stop You right there.
Take a deep breath and think what is the main goal of the Blood Elves?
It is full restoration of Quel’thalas. AKA return to the style of life that they lived before the Third War when they called themselves High Elves.
Which means that High Elves are not remnant of anything. Because You can be only a remnant of something that isn’t there anymore.
Their fanatical dedication to the Alliance began with Alleria who unlike her King Anasterian eagerly sought to work with it. She and the likes of her are now Void Elves.
Step by step, piece by piece the Blood Elves make progress toward their ultimate goal. And their current name Sin’dorei was assumed in honor of their slaughtered kin. Which in itself is a Noble thing to do.
Their is the way of restoration but also to remember. They managed to make fallen kingdom up and running again. They were remnants. Now they are nation in funcioning country once again.
Blood Elves are High Elves. That’s what Ion Hazzikostas and by extention Blizzard were trying to say.
Void Elves strive to unveil the secrets of the Void and the nature of the Universe. They have a place they call their own. Practice arts distinct to their newfound nature. And most importantly they organized themselves into one population from the start. Something that High Elves clearly lack.
Both Blood Elves and Void Elves have their goals set. And what High Elves have set for themselves? They are broken lot stuffed between hammer and anvil that are Sin’dorei and Ren’dorei.
High Elves can’t cling to their legacy because that’s what Blood Elves do. Turning whole Windrunner Spire into Giant memorial of the tragic past and make pilgrimages each year to it in honor of those who died in defense of Quel’thalas. High Elves do not even come close to do anything similar.
Neither they do not go for something new because that’s what Void Elves do.
They just are there. Stuck in place, assimilated into the Alliance living the lives of other races. Serving under Human or Dwarven command in their armies. Having no significant representation within the Alliance. Void Elves simply have beat them to it already.
They make pilgrimages to the Sunwell still having some sentiment to it but being unable to to make that right step to live in Quel’thalas.
They see how it recovers and yet stary still.
Something like that iscunfit for playable material.
to be fair most of High Elf fans (aside from OP) has accepted the Void elves with the new customization. Only problem is they lack natural hair colors, they dont even have 1 (not even Black).
I imagine that because Alleria has Blonde hair it could be an option (though i am against this, i cant argue it looks very good on Void elves).
if Blonde hair will never be an option than they could at the very least add Black.
May be able to shed some light on that. It seems they -have- kept to their own personal ways of eschewing magic, -however- are perfectly happy for others to do so in their presence, there is a story, I think it is ‘The Last Guardian’ where a human Paladin leaves behind two twin daughters as orphans. The Dwarves of Aerie Peak and the Highvale elves both foster one of the daughters, the elven fostered one is trained as a ranger, but wants to study magic. The Highvale elves cannot teach her, as they have no mages, however there is a visiting human mage, who agrees to take her as a pupil, and she does indeed learn magic.
This kind of indicates to me that whilst they themselves personally don’t do magic, they have no problem with those who do, else a) there would not have -been- a visiting human mage, and b) they would have dissuaded the young girl (I cba to look up the names, but they are lore characters, albeit minor ones) from learning magic.
As such, them being OK with their High Elf kin who use magic sounds 100% likely.
I won’t lie, as the person who first coined the term ‘Mana Vegans’ to describe High Elves this does give me a little vicarious joy wherever I see it
I think you are right, with one caveat.
I don’t think the individual Blood Elf hates the individual High Elf. The Silver Covenant however are War Criminals. I do think the individual Blood Elf would extremely dislike the Silver Covenant High Elves, and any Sunreavers or relatives of Sunreavers are extremely unlikely to forgive and forget. But then, unless they are wearing their tabard, how could you know if they were Silver Covenant, and now, to make things even more delicious, if you picture my avatar with blue eyes, how would you even know if he was a Blood Elf or High Elf?
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I have nothing against that.
No.
FALSE. Because alliance ask highelves playable that are already in the alliance such as silvercovenant highelves. Not something new “like” blood elves.
except it is.
Yes she is.
dear diary…then alliance will reclaim that city and make elves alliance thing.
or maybe it is otherway around?
they are blood elves not highelves anymore.
??? I would say broken are sindorei not highelves
No, it doesn’t mean that.
No, it isn’t.
Keeping my response brief here, because I can’t be bothered with the entire wall of text you wrote.
Agreed.
Absolutely agreed.
I know, and this makes playing Alliance high elves all that more exciting!
For once, Moontear actually makes sense. Blood elves abandoned the high elf name. Genetically, the two are the same, but culturally, politically or in name, they are not.
It’s a brilliant and fitting term.
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You will not.
Except it isn’t. SIlvermoon belongs to the blood elves.
Same thing. The only difference is their political alignment.
They are vermin. Alliance boot lickers.
She’s a voidelf.
Not really.
Its not about the race, you just can’t be bothered to play horde which has the race you are looking for. You are selfish and greedy stealing all the blood elves aesthetics and themes.
Yes.
Blood elves don’t lose anything, even as void elves grow able to become increasingly more similar to their older selves. Not. A. Thing. That being said, I wouldn’t take the OP’s comments too seriously. I don’t. However, I will say this: There’s a reason why we can’t be bothered to play the Horde, which greatly, but not completely, overlaps with our reasons for wanting playable high elves. And if you don’t realise that factions matter, then I really don’t know how to talk to you about World of Warcraft.
If you want to play fair, blonde elves the Horde is there waiting for you. just like Ion said.
Your selfish greed ruins this game. I have nothing but hate for you and any other high elf fan or supporter.
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I wouldn’t use Ion’s words on lore.
He even said “blue eyes on Blood elves makes no sense at all” then he went back on this statement and said that he is not a man of lore, so he makes mistakes.
High elves deserve kicks in their shimmies. I will fight against them for as long I have energy in me to do so.
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