When warcraft was imagined and created he wasn’t involved. And that’s why wc3 and wow vanilla (2004-5) was a success
Your point being what, exactly?
He’s in charge now, and what he says still stands as a good reason why high elves should be playable through adding more features to the void elves, similarly to how Wildhammer dwarfs have become playable through the regular Bronzebeard dwarfs.
My point is already stated above.
You horde fanbois and your devs pets are running wow into the ground =)
Time for a change.
A bright new future for the Alliance and their High Elven allies as playable race.
looks at my own avatar This isn’t even my main. My main is Azrathel. I almost exclusively play Alliance. I love void elves and high elves. And I don’t see the same so-called Horde bias as you do. In all fairness, I think Blizzard does a great job keeping things well balanced between the factions, in all aspects of the game. But if you want to see yourself as a victim of injustice, you’ll only focus on what the others are getting, ignoring what you’ve already got, and you’ll create the bias you’re looking for. Both Horde and Alliance players do this, and it makes it hard to take you seriously.
High elves are highly unlikely to be made into a race of their own. At this point, I really don’t see any reason to ask for that. We’re already so close with the void elves. I choose to enjoy that, and to argue in favour of more high elven options for void elves. It’s more plausible, and more practical at this point.
I can’t help but feel that the Alliance have missed their opportunity for High Elves with the addition of Void Elves. Maybe in time you’ll get the option to make them look more like a Belf/Helf. I’d prefer if they didn’t just copy paste the Belf customisations and gave them something different.
Personally my Velf will remain looking Velf like. I like the tentacle hair/purpleness.
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Bronzebeard dwarfs now include Wildhammer dwarfs. Void elves can include high elves.
As long as it’s still high elves, and the changes represent cultural differences, while not creating genetic differences, I’m fine with that. Same hair colours, but different styles, other jewellery, and other racials. Let void elves choose non-voidy racials, similarly to how Zandalari trolls can.
I do that with Azrathel. He’s very voidy. Ismaor is my attempt at making a high elf. Not perfect, but quite close.
Bronzebeard dwarfs didn’t lose anything when Wildhammer options were added. Nor will void elves with full high elf options.
I think it is more people arguing with the lunatic fringe who want -everything- including the racial name, classes and city of the Blood Elves. People who just want to look like High Elves whilst playing Void elves most people are cool with, except the extreme element on the other side (Still need to see a TLC match between a certain Belf Mage poster and a certain HMP poster)
I’d argue against that, but it is a point of semantics on my part. I hate it when fantasy writers misuse the word ‘race’, but they do it, and always have done it, and Wow is no exception. Blood Elves and High Elves are not a different race, any more than French people and British people are a different race. (Or pick any two nationalities of choice of the same ethnic stock). They even do it on a larger scale. Humans and Elves are not technically two separate -Races-, they are two separate -Species-.
Big difference. If you want to see the word used correctly, then Zandalari and Darkspear are both the same -Species- as in Trolls. However they are different -Races- because they are members of the same Species who have divergent qualities making them visibly distinct from each other. Dark Iron Dwarves are the same -Species- as Bronzebeard Dwarves, however again, have divergent qualities making them visibly distinct from each other.
Humans and Elves however are not the same -Species- even, so it is like trying to compare Dogs and Cats. Sure, they both have four legs, two eyes and a tail (Well, apart from Manx Cats and some terriers) but they are -completely- separate species.
coughs (Apologies for the semantic rant on a tangent, but it is my birthday today and I am allowing myself to act up a little.)
Yeah, it was pretty forced. Umbric’s bullshizzle about “We always believed in the Alliance!” is just that. No they didn’t. That wasn’t a thing. If that was a thing, they would have left Quel’thalas alongside the other High Elves during the Exile and studied the Void that way.
They didn’t. Why? Because of the -Real- reason they were Exiled. Lor’themar doesn’t care about Shadow Magic, that is still perfectly legal in Silvermoon. I mean Lor’themar doesn’t care anyway, it was -Rommath- who was the factor in the Void Elves Exile, and that is because Rommath knew whose homework the Void Elves were copying to get their power.
Dark’han Drathir. The single worst two words any Thalassian Elf can imagine. The Traitor who destroyed 90% of their entire Species.
Even Umbric goes “Yep, I can totally see why Rommath wants us gone, this is some bad stuff”.
The Void Elves never had any higher ideals and sided with the Alliance, thats just Umbric chatting whiff to try and get his feet under the table. If they did, they’d have been Alliance a long time ago.
Quoted for truth.
Blood Elves are like -actual- Elves from our myth and legend, and that is why they are so damned cool. Or damned -and- cool, dependent upon your take.
Ehhh, Leave out the words Temperate, and Loyal, and you pretty much have the High Elves nailed there. And if Tolkien Elves are your bag, then crack on, High Elves are your jam, go for it!
Lets be honest, WC3 was not as good a game as the Command and Conquer franchise, which had far more slick presentation, cutscenes and in game plot. What WC3 had, was backstory, whereas C&C backstory wasn’t as interesting to us as players, because it wasn’t ‘backstory’ it was pretty much ‘history’ which is much more niche.
As for Vanilla. First of its kind. Bound to succeed. It was, and is a weak game in comparison to its current competitors, but it sunk its teeth in hard and clinged on, and 16 years later, here we are, it is still going.
Oh, Just when you were starting to make some good points…you had to go and pull that stunt…
Totally this. Absolutely this.
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You are correct – I used the word “race” impulsively. I was refering to the meaning of “separate race” in terms of game mechanics only. Blood elves and High elves are the same species and race but they have very different values and affiliations, and that’s why it would be okay, in my opinion, to have High Elves on Alliance and Blood Elves on Horde. There is enough lore to support it. Saying that the High Elves aren’t plentiful enough is not an argument, because that is doubly true for the Void Elves. In fact, the introduction of the Void Elves kinda exacerbates the problem of the Blood/High Elf population. What we see in game seems to suggest that the Blood/High Elves are extremely populous.
True, they’ve certainly adopted different values. I really liked the “evil” aspect of the Blood Elves – sucking on fel energy and getting green eyes and all that. They didn’t do it because they were evil, but because they were desperate and hey, there seemed to be plenty of fel energy to go around. I don’t like this new version of the “redeemed” Blood Elf. Blood Elves were magic leeches, and it was awesome.
Is there an explanation as to how the High Elves managed to avoid the mana abstinence that the Blood Elves suffered? Because that’s another thing that could’ve been a huge thing that made high elves differ from blood elves, and it could have been represented by the high elves’ appearance. But…
This is my feeling as well. I don’t think we will get High Elves, especially not now that Blood Elves have been given the option of having blue eyes. It is a missed opportunity, and a sad one at that.
You wasn’t referring to YOU but YOU plural, the bloodelfposters, the voidelf defeatists who are content with getting the scraps.
Alliance DESERVES High elves. Whether it’s a subrace selection WITHOUT voidelf affiliation or a seperate race, or thalassian elves becoming neutral race in character creation screen, it’s up to the marketing department to launch surveys, maybe Asia, to decide.
I refuse to be called a defeatist. I’m an optimist and an inclusionist.
Blizzard made void elves out of thin air. The only lore /character they have is Alleria. The rest are poor writing and an abomination to the story.
They gave this race to the alliance. Not horde. Even thematically, void elves fit the horde more.
They didn’t give HIGH ELVES to the alliance because horde biased devs did not want to ‘‘offend’’ team red. (60-70% of current wow mains in EU/US/CHN)
They threw away the excuses of ‘‘low numbers’’, ‘‘no capital city’’, ‘‘not a coherent social structure’’ ‘‘not enough lore in-game to justify playable race’’ etc etc that they used to excuse /exclude playable high elves from the alliance playerbase.
After the rightful anger and outrage, they added some ‘‘customisations’’ for void elves, which is logical, since they ARE blood elves, using void as power, not the sunwell, they don’t have to be blueberries.
Many ‘‘void elves’’ fans (with world quest gear, aka not mains) and blood elf posters (mostly the same group) spam all the official forums with the ‘‘yey alliance got high elf now stop requesting things you babies its liTerAlly tHe SamE’’ in order to silence the true high elf fans, the few alliance mains, since the rest quit.
So in my opinion, anyone who is alliance at heart, who accepts those scraps as some ‘‘victory’’ for the most sought out request for Alliance since VANILLA , is a defeatist.
You are free to think that. I thoroughly enjoy void elves for what they are and how they came to be.
I’d rather have what we’ve got now, than nothing, and originally, I wanted high elves as a separate race. With the current options, however, it’s no longer plausible, and I think we can get something even better through the void elves, seeing as it will be possible to create anything in between traditional high elves and void elves, if we’ll get a mix between the Wildhammer and Zandalari treatment for void elves.
If you cling on to high elves as a separate playable race, you’re much more likely to be defeated, whereas a little realism says that full high elves can become playable through the void elves.
WHAT WRITING?? what lore?/ are you joking?
Year 13…Still waiting for playable highelves in Alliance…
And then bloodelves have actual highelf customizations…
Back to waiting I go.
The unlock story and scenario, and the intro text, together with the quests surrounding Alleria’s journey to the void. Not joking.
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so scraps. nothing, 2-3 hour work for an enthusiastic intern.
high elves have lore, they have lot of settlements, have characters known since vanilla. those are what we need. stop defeatism
#highelves2021
Agreed.
It’s not.
not gonna discuss your compromises any further, this thread is about playable high elves on alliance 
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Yes, and I’m arguing that similarly to how Wildhammer dwarfs were made playable as Bronzebeard dwarf options, high elves can become playable through void elves. We’re already quite close.
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Why is it so hard to understand that there will never be real playable high elves? The high elves are the blood elves and their last real high elf leader Kaelthas Sunstrider changed their name to honor their ancestors who lost their lives in the third war.
If you know anything about the High elf lore then you should know that their ancestors, and their traditions are the most important things and by leaving the “blood” behind they would desecrate their own ancestors. Be happy with the outcast void elves and their already lore unfriendly high elf costumization.