im pretty sure most elves players love LoTR, that’s why they picked elves.
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So what? The elves of WoW are nothing like the elves of Lotr - their lore and focus are in different areas, magic is almost non-existent in Tolkien’s world, there are 7 wizards who themselves are effectively minor deities. The world/universe creation and equivalents to demigods are totally different, the relationships between the different races bear no real comparison. There is no light to worship, no mana to feed on, no religion to speak of. Tolkien’s elves don’t fit the WoW world, and it doesn’t make sense to view either the Kaldorie or the Quel’dorie and their factions as Tolkienesque.
elves do not belong to horde.
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How true
If one even know the slightes the Elves… you kinda “hate” Tolkien with a passion for what he did with the whole elven mythos 
Anyone who even once read Prose Edda, which talks about svartálfar, dökkálfar and ljósálfar (“black elves”, “dark elves”, and “light elves”) or knows a bit of Irish and Scottish folklore, the Sidhe (the Seelie Court and the Unseelie Court), or heard about the swedish Ängsälvor ( “Meadow Elves”) , Germanic mythology and folklore… usually start choking on his/her own bile hearing the godalmighty praising of Tolkien’s elves…
He took something ancient, really ancient belifes, gutted and butchered them and made his own Elves
Witch is fine, don’t get me wrong, but his Elves are so radically different, you can’t really call them Elves, yet thanks to the media, those Elves are the “true” Elves in the eyes of many, and would try to force their views on everything remotely pointy eared folk…
WoW’s Elves are more like the Elves of Old with a little or non resablence of Tokien’s Elves…
But for some strange reason - and despite the fact, WoW’s lore contradicts their belifes - they try to treat them like Tolkien’s Elves
They are not
Never been and never will
Your everage WoW elf is a self centered bastard who would kill you without a blink or remorse to further his own goals, anything and everything they’ve done (including the weird Human-fetish of the Windrunners) they did for themselves…
Heck, if there wasn’t that little debpt from the past to twist their arms, the Elves would never even sent their little token force to the Alliance, then when they repaid that debpt, departed sooner than an ice cube could melt in the sahara…
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You are not discussing anything are you - not listening, responding or having the common decency to address the points made to you. Your cognitive dissonance is strong, I doubt it will get you very far. Bye.
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and you are? I read what you wrote. Which is basically your assumptions, only.
…come on. Whole LoTR is the magic itself. It’s same as with wow, you can’t show too much magic because MAGIC is the strongest thing in every world.
wow you sound like a typical doomsayer. Who can’t hear anything else but the sound of his own voice.
Ehhh yes and no. They are High Elves, this is true. The Fel aspect was due to the Fel Crystals which were brought in to carry out the function that the Sunwell once did, that of keeping the floaty buildings floaty and stopping the city from collapsing (Silvermoon being a magical city, not bricks and mortar).
It was not known what was in those crystals. Even Rommath didn’t know what was in them. Whilst this sounds ridiculous (They’ve got glowing evil eyes in them! How did no one know they were dodgy!) that was very much dramatic effect. They actually just looked like really big Mana Crystals, some of which are mentioned as being that same green colour, in Blood of the Highborne (the particular part set pre-Fall, so before Anasterian’s death and any Fel involvement.) we see them described. Interestingly this does mean that even -before- the Sunwell’s destruction, there was obviously a reason for the Soon-to-be-Blood Elves to manufacture Mana Crystals, which is interesting, as Blizzard also confirmed that the Sunwell operates across Time and Space, nourishing Blood and High Elves wherever they are in Azeroth, or indeed other worlds, and -Whenever- they are, as in WoD.
Perhaps it is like some sort of combat stims? Get a quick mana Hit and feel empowered for battle.
Because you keep prefacing some of your posts with the words ‘Dear Diary’, and then making a statement which is not the sort of thing one would write in a diary.
he has also consistently been proven wrong on lore issues, has admitted he is more about the mechanics and the raid/dungeon design and also, and this is delicious, said that High Elves are playable. On Horde.
So let me get this right here. When Ion says “If you want High Elves, the Horde is there for you” some fans will scream the house down and say he is wrong. But when he makes a nebulous statement like “All things are possible in the future” the same fans will point to that as immutable proof that High Elves are coming, because Ion says so.
Which is it? You can’t have zero faith in someone’s words on a subject and 100% faith in someone’s words on a subject at the same time.
So which is it? Do you believe everything that Ion says regarding lore, or do you -not- believe everything that Ion says regarding lore, or do you take the sensible middle ground of ‘He probably knows a bit, but its not his main focus, there will be someone far more clued into lore than he is who should really have answered that question, but hey ho’.
-I- am able to do so. You are not. You are ignoring the point that High Elves looked one way in Vanilla, and were retconned to look as they do now, when TBC and the playable Blood Elves were released.
Can you at least recognise that factual point?
Elves overall from all fantasies are not linked to LoTR. That is completely incorrect. Tolkien did not invent Elves in 1954. I mean -He- admitted that, so why do some people have a hard time with that concept? Just about the only race that he -sort of- invented were the Hobbits themselves, but even -they- are based on a previous set of myths and legends of bucolic household spirits akin to the Celtic mythological creatures named ‘Brownies’ or the Russian creatures called ‘Domovoi’, both described as diminutive humanoids who enjoyed a quiet life and rarely roamed far from home.
Elves existed long before Tolkien was a glint in his father’s eye, and have been a staple part of mythology, along with Dwarves, Orcs, Ogres and Trolls for millennia, as pointed out previously, especially in Celtic and Norse/Germanic myth, though they have counterparts in other cultures also.
Tolkien invented next to nothing. He never pretended he did, either. He told a story, and took inspiration from existing sources. Why do you think all his dwarves have very Norse sounding names, and his Elves Celtic ones?
He did however change them, to suit his story, which was more an allegory of his experiences during The War, which obviously left him deeply troubled and in need of some literary catharsis, which is completely understandable. As horrible a fact as it may be, a lot of the finest literature has come from the minds of those who have experienced humanity at its worst. As from All Fantasy being linked to LoTR I would beg to differ. Shadowrun Elves owe nothing to Tolkien. Drow owe nothing to Tolkien, the Elves of Charles Stross’ works owe nothing to Tolkien, nor those of Sir Terry Pratchett, nor those of the ‘orcs’ series by Stan Nicholls, nor those of Jim Butcher’s ‘Harry Dresden’ books, nor those of ancient literature, or ancient folk songs, and folk traditions still carried out to this day in the UK.
Elves were not pretty boy Legolas. Elves were a horribly predatorial race that looks better than you, thinks smarter than you, can fight better than you, has magic, unlike you, they were a terrifying thing of the forests that can move almost unseen and unheard and can drain the life from you. Oh, they also live longer than you, practically for ever, and they steal children. Why? As amusement until they start getting boring, then throw them back where they wither and die of old age, They will never make a deal that does not benefit them, they will never keep a promise if they think you betrayed them, and they will never, ever stop being the absolute self-serving A-holes that they actually are.
But they get away with it. Because they look ‘Pretty’.
You look at pictures of older cottages in the UK, they have a horseshoe nailed to the door. It’s not a “Quaint tradition to bring good luck” as Americans say. It is iron on your door as a Ward against Elves. Children are told to make sure their windows are closed before going to sleep at night (Which is like, sensible anyway! 
) but this is to stop Elves getting in. The insane were said to be ‘Elf-shot’ for they used poisons on their arrows to afflict people with madness.
There is still a tradition to this very day, in certain regions, including where I grew up, where the first person to cross your threshold at the turn of the year should be a dark haired man, bearing salt, coal and whiskey. Why dark haired? Because Elves were so fair, why carrying gifts? Because Elves gave you nothing, they only took.
Seriously, five minutes to New Year up Newcastle way the street is full of men stood outside of doorways that are usually their -own- damned houses, or those of relatives, with a stupid wee bottle of whiskey, lump of coal and bag of salt in their hands freezing their backsides off, waiting for people to start cheering the new year in before they can knock on the door, and be invited in (I’ve actually done it myself, but only when I grew out of my teens and early twenties, I was too blonde then for the Hearth Magic to work, now I have dark mousey brown hair it is OK). Because the First Foot over your door had to not be a fair haired stranger offering nothing.
So not an Elf.
So don’t try this ‘Tolkien invented Elves’ rubbish. It won’t float.
As for Christie Golden’s ‘Elegy’, both ‘Elegy’ and ‘A Good War’ were stated by Blizzard as not being correct, and heavily slanted by each side’s propaganda against the other. Which to be honest. Is kinda cool! They were written as two accounts of the same war, but heavily slanted, and probably -should- have had inaccuracies and lies in there. The same way as the music hall song about The Austrian Chap with a silly moustache in WWII only having one ball. (He actually had the usual complement of daddybags) or being a Vegetarian (Again, he wasn’t, his last meal did include sausages).
-IF- Golden’s novel is canon (Which Blizz have said it is not) then this means that Blood Elves have a longer natural lifespan than a Night Elf; Lorash Sunbeam must have been at least 7,300 years old at the point of death, and was still a nimble, spritely assassin able to go up against a -DEMIGOD- in a fight. Given what Blizzard have stated about Elven ageing elsewhere, this means that now that Night Elves and Nightborne are no longer immortal, both somehow have shorter lifespans than Blood/High Elves.
It also would mean that Malfurion, despite being a demigod, has a memory as bad as a 1960’s stoner because he doesn’t remember stuff his wife signed off on just 15 years ago. Maybe he does…Maybe we are giving him far too much credit, and he actually is just that really whacked out Uncle who has seen some stuff in his time, and tried to black a lot of it out.
Also does retcon a whole expansion…
I think it is safer to say that Blizzard’s Pet Alliance creative went a bit cray-cray (As Blizz confirmed) and let her bias shine a little too much.
Lets be fair, this is a woman who had not one, but -two- of her actual player characters save the High King of the Alliance in a novel, and thinks you can charge an Alien 3 year old child on a different planet of War Crimes.
Just a heads up here. You cannot be charged of War Crimes at an age where you are too young to a)comprehensively give orders, b)Commit War Crimes, c) Even know the planet exists.
Unless the Alliance are bringing charges, of course…
You see why I have difficulty taking Christie Golden’s writing seriously?
“I Researched War Crimes Tribunals in our real world thoroughly!”
Did you though? Did you really? When was the last time in those historical documents that a Toddler who wasn’t on the planet was reasonably accused of crimes? “I’ll give you the answer Christie, it is -Never-!”
Moontear. You don’t want High Elves. You are actively now trolling this thread, you don’t understand a damned thing, you don’t care about Elves, and you don’t even know the lore of the group of High Elves you seem to want. What is your purpose here? Is it to make people ridicule the High Elf cause, in which case congratulations, mission achieved. Well done. You can stop posting, and leave the thread to people who actually want to have a grown up and sensible conversation about High Elves. Without you.
Apologies to Stormflux, whilst that might have seemed like a response to you, it is more because my touchpad mouse now seems to have borked itself, so I can’t highlight other people’s quotes and copy them, which in honesty, in this thread would have been a very useful ability…
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Yes it’s like an expression for very obvious things that makes me want write that in diary in sarcastic way.
void elves are in alliance even he said - no. So what’s your point?
i do believe he have a power to decide things.
they did look like night elves, but what makes you think that that model was created for blood elves but not high elves in mind first?
People play them because of how they were portrayed in LoTR.
Umh, i disagree, i do not know other elves then something Like in LoTR, all wow elves are close to that.
WHAT I JUST DID READ??? Real horror movie.
it actually have no meaning…literally- NO MEANING. If you put your thought in it, or think that it has a meaning, then yes.
Dear diary…piece of metal on your door will protect you XD sure…
i did not sai that. Again you start lying.
I said, people fel in love with them after LoTR, how they were portrayed.
I dislike Anduin too. and everything orfc/human related.
Yes i do, and explained which type of them we want, you refuse to read and understand.
i know about silver covenant highelves. WHat else?
make highelves , silver covenant as allied race for alliance? Is not this so obvious?
There will be no seperate Quel’dorei, Silver Covenant High elf race added to game called World of Warcraft made by Blizzard Entertainment 
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Not a diary then. Weird, but fair enough.
Seems my Mouse button has fixed itself a bit, took four goes, but ehh.
Ok, he also said no High Elves. I mean he famously said that. So we can end this thread then if you believe everything he said?
OK, so again. No High Elves, ion said so. Thread Over.
Because it was created at the point that Blood Elves were included in the game, but was not created at the point that High Elves were included in the game. Pretty basic stuff.
Speak for yourself and LoTR fans. That isn’t how Elves are in lore and legend, and what attracted me to Blood Elves was the fact that they were actually more similar to our own world’s legends than Legolas.
I am neither your parent, or your tutor, to expand your education. You are however, factually incorrect, and not even accurate according to WoW lore.
You don’t even know what High Elves are, do you? amazing…
Yes, Yes it is! A real horror movie! That is what Elves are in actual myth and legend, well done. that is Elves. Sorry if that scares the Tolkien out of you, but yes, that is actual Elves. Don’t make me start on the Erlking and Lady Eleanour, the Phouka and Selkie, the Aos Sidhe, Twlwyth Teg and Tuatha de Danaan, or even worse, the Tuatha de Domnu.
You wouldn’t be able to handle it. Nor, probably, would Legolas, who would run away screaming from ‘real’ Elves.
I don’t think you are using the word ‘literally’ correctly there, so let me help you out.
It means something factual, that could be laid out in literal terms, it does not mean “I think” or “I believe” it means “Fact” so, to be honest, what I had written there, was ‘Literally’ correct. I know how to use language, if I was saying something that was not actually fact I would have used either the words ‘Figuratively’ or ‘Metaphorically’.
Neither of which I did, before you ‘literally’ starting using the word ‘literally’ incorrectly, and ‘literally’ drove your argument into the floor.
You…do you…hang on…can we just…stop a moment…do you think that history started in recent decades? Is that what you think? I mean we have established that you do not know what a Diary means, but do you seriously think, that an entire country and indeed countries, have carried out a folk tradition, just to humour you and prank you, and have done so hundreds of years before you were born?
Do you seriously believe that?
Holy mother of… Wow…
That is next level insanity.
Seriously?
I think we all need to back away from this thread now, and let it die.
Seriously, I’ll start. Any time Moontear bumps it, just let it die again, we’re done here, the reasonable people are leaving the building.
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He said anything possible in the future,
So? this topic started before he said anything about them at all.
False. He did not said that.
They are not. There are “dark” bad elves and there are “light” good elves. To be honest haven’t heard anything bad about elves at all. Not sure where this info you posted coming from.
That piece of metal have only one meaning - to help horse hooves. It have no magical meaning. But because people tend to believe it has magical meaning they made those tales.
Actually you started this thread -after- he said that if you wanted your golden haired Elf fantasy, it existed. And the Horde is waiting for you.
I don’t agree with his words, but that is what he said.
Ion did indeed state that the High Elf fantasy existed, but was on Horde side. You are getting embarrassing now.
You’ve not heard anything bad about Elves at all? Have you read only one Fantasy novel in your life? You do not know where this info I am posting comes from at all?
Try the people who actually have Elves as part of their folklore for goodness sake! Same as Tolkien did before he made them ‘cutesie human pals’
try actual Elves such as the various types of Alfar from Norse legend, or the Tuatha de Danaan, Aos Sidhe, Twlywth Teg, Ferryshin, the Leprechaun and their darker cousins, the Clurichaun, If you actually knew anything about Elves, you would know this.
“That piece of metal have only one meaning-to help horse hooves. It have no magical meaning, but because people tend to believe it has magical meaning they made those tales.”
For a start, lets get the phrase “Don’t you tell me about my culture” out of the way. Then move onto ‘seriously? You have never heard about Elves and Iron? Have you ever read a book published before 1954 with Elves in? Have you ever heard of the Celts? The Vikings? The Saxons? In fact no, have you ever heard about Western Europe? Like the entirety of Western Europe?’
You think people made those tales up -after- putting up horseshoes on doors? You think that is actually how folklore works?
“I Will do something unusual and frankly inconvenient, just like every one else is, and then I will make up a story about it, which just so happens to be the same story as everyone else has about it, and then invent folklore tradition that not only exists on my islands, but as far away as Serbia and Georgia”
Is that how you think it went?
Absolute madness…
Know what. No. Void Elves should get High Elf Customisation, bizarre insane fanatics should not get separate High Elves until they sit themselves down, and actually learn what High Elves are. Until then, they should get absolutely nothing.
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Actually, I did a Bad, I responded to Moontear, alright, lets let the thread die -Now- and if Moontear Bumps it report it.
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This topic continuing since 2016? I guess
I did not.
I did.
I do not to be honest. Explain?
whatever.
you act like anything written in England is a “world wide sensation”, that everyone should have known about?
Yes, void elves should get Alleria look alike customization options.
maybe stop 
so you can manage your anger issues?
says WHO?
I mean seriously…that’s low
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Hmm.
Maybe the answer would be that the Ren’dorai and the Silver Covenant High elves team up. Have an outpost together in stormwind. with a Silver covenant vendor with updated unicorn mount and hippogryphon and tabard in either the stormwind outpost or the void elf city. and to see Vereesa side by side with her sister Alleria.
Maybe the heritage armor should have been similar to Ren’dorai’s leader Alleria Windrunner, I said similar not exact copy and the shoulder piece instead of feather its had void feathers. Something similar to Kyrian mail armor.
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/926665.jpg
And 3 different color versions like Mag’har armor. Ren’dorai version, Silver covenant version and Alliance version. In honoring their leader Alleria (She is or will be anyway and I do think she should be the one that leads the Alliance High Elves). (I do like the void wings on the heritage armor and maybe that could be a cloak so it can fit to any armor.) A robed version and unrobed version like the blood elves heritage armor. and the headpiece should be a hood that also enhance the glow of the void elf eyes than a bucket for a helmet.
I do believe that the Alliance High Elves needed magic to call their own but the void maybe wasn’t the answer but I guess there wasn’t much for blizzard to choose from, well maybe the nexus arcane magic in northrend. BUt there is always the Titanforge that can purge the void and change/or alter DNA of the subject if blizzard wants to make the void elves to something else in the future.
Now for hair color, well If blizzards chooses not to give blood elf hair color to void elves. Well maybe these will work and will be diffrent from blood elves and still keep the theme of void elf. Besides the void elves are blood elves/Draenai/Night elves combined into one anyway. I hope the links work.
http://prettyflydraenei.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/hair.jpg
For hair styles, well in case nobody knows Void elf female do already have few blood elf hairstyles, Blizzard just added extra hair strains to the style so it would look different. However the Male void elves have all new hairstyles and none blood elf hairstyle. But blizzard could make some of the male blood elf hairstyles slightly different. If not well if blizzard make new long hairstyles that look abit elvish I would be fine with that. Also the Tentacles should be a toggle so if one does not want Tentacles in their Hair. And I do miss the eyeglow that the void elves had when they first introduced at the end of Legion. Sad blizzard removed the eyeglow for all races that had it.
For tattoo’s I would like to see farstriders tattoo (WAIT let me finish) but would be slightly different and more edgy that what blood elves would get. And with void colors to the tattoo’s. There are blood elf exiles joining the void elves and some might have been Farstriders, considering Ren’dorais was blood elves first and as it seems to be that some blood elves are leaving silvermoon to join the Ren’dorai (as seen in Telogrus Rift. And we do know there has been conflicts within the silvermoon city since TBC.)
Also the Void form should be customisable in the character creation screen or at the barbershop, so if one want to have Alleria void form or full void form or less void form the player should have access to that.
More Named NPC to join the ranks of the Ren’dorai like Alleria goes to allerian stronghold and recruits the High elves there to the Ren’dorai and the high elves there get updated looks. And Alleria should get a new title that represents her as the leader of the void elves and is followed by 2 void elf bodyguards. And see more void elves in human/Alliance outposts and maybe void elf farmers. to give the feeling that they really are a race and not just a squad.
For a city well was thinking of that blizzard updated the Telogrus Rift of a bigger rock island north of the map that has crater/cavern that is large enogh to build a city and a forest and the creatures that lived on the planet (before sargeras destroyed it, survived and was changed/altered by the void) ( Just like the panthera from argus) and as we seen in the character creations for void elves, blizzard have changed the hunter pets from that void infused lizard to panthera. Could it be that blizzard is going to make/change the void elves to something between a void elf and high elf? Lets see if I find the link that one posted for Void elf city.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/22/f8/40/22f840b9393df0c4b4155b28c4e9cd38.jpg
Or they could just take over a city that no race is using and rebuild it. Like there are many Night elf cites and outposts across azeroth that the night elves are not using anymore, haven’t for thousands of years like Dire maul or the city/outpost in north of the hinterlands. Or the void elves could take over the draenei city on argus in mac’aree that the draenei not using anymore. And it has everything. Void training area to the west and north west and a forest to the south and south east and is still on alien planet and you have azeroth in the sky and is also were Alleria did her training with void powers. And Alleria and the void elves can try and help the void broken there (The Krokul that lost control of the void powers)
I also hope the banner for void elves looks more something between Ren’dorai and Silver covenant in the future.
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/701164-void-elf.jpg
For paladin class, blizzard could make a fourth Spec for paladin. spec named Shadow were the paladin uses void powers similar to a shadow priest. Since paladin is just a different order of priests that used swords or hammers as weapons and heavy armor than a Staff and cloth robes. I know some people say that paladins are the holiest of holy, but explain then Arthas? And there as also Paladins that joined the twilight hammer in cataclysm and should have been using void powers instead but I guess blizzard wouldn’t put resources in making new paladins skills with void powers. That would give void elves paladin class that uses void powers. Not only that but it would also open the door for forsaken paladin and Mag’har orc paladin. Well many would say that forsaken can’t be paladin because the light hurts the undead, but what if they were void paladins using void powers and there is forsaken priests. For mag’har well they would not be paladins but warriors that uses void powers so they be similar to a paladin just like the tauren paladin is not really a paladin but close. The tauren believe in and uses the sun power. and if you say Mag’har can’t be paladins, well they wouldn’t be priests either (well only shadow priests) since they hate everything with the light since they lost their planet to the forces of the light.
Well these are some ideas for void elves. I too wanted Silver covenant High elves as playable race but it seems void elves is what blizzard was willing to give us, even if they were rushed decision and not well thought out race since it was just a “Squad” than a race it felt weird playing one and with no city either, all they have is few tents on a space rock in middle of nowhere. I know that mag’har orcs don’t have either but they are refugees from dreanor and same that they would be just a squad but blizzard could update the valley of honor for them with iron horde building and chop off more of the mountain and build a iron horde furnace with mag’har orc blacksmiths and green orc blacksmiths working together and have some Gronns and Ogres that came with the mag’har from Draenor. Could move the fox people to valley of wisdom, i think they have more in common with the taurens.
Those who ask for void elves to get more corruption options with more tentacles and more eyes on the head, don’t really want a void “elf”. They want this race.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/72/96/6c/72966cc76d2738cdd1e78aa754ad8ff9.jpg
Also I don’t think that void elves would have turned to ethereals, Considering when the ethereal said “What shall you become?”. Means he had “No Idea” what was going to happen to the blood elves using the device on them. But the proof can be found in Stormsong valley. Where Kul tiran humans infused themselves with the void and turned into Mind flayers or K’thir as they are called in wow. So too would the blood elves had become if the process had finished the transformation for the Umbric and his followers. Also gives us an insight on how the Void Lords looks like, if we ever meet them.
Let the serious ones among us continue the debate here:
(Note: this is not a thread about high elves as a separate race, and should have no relevance to Moontributor’s campaign.)
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And you could be able choose void or highelf with name tag as an option?
For now. They will add them later for sure.
That’s an idea.
Great ideas, thanks for sharing.
For now. I expect Blizzard make high elves such as silver covenant playable later, because of huge demand.
Nobody want tentacles…that’s why those topics are still active. Everyone dislike them.
Speak for yourself.
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wow, you really like them ?
Why exactly you are fully clothed then?
I like this transmog 
Why are you a Night Elf when there is a whole race with available High Elf customization?
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