They were never a core High Elf thing. They do/did exist, but Paladins were never a core part of the High Elf ethos, in the way that they were for say, Humans, or for that matter, Blood Elves, who pretty much weaponised Paladins and regimented them as Blood Knights. High Elf Paladins, the very few there were(and they did exist, as I say) were very much individuals, rather than a core part of the racial fantasy. Rangers and Magi are your big High Elf things.
Only Heads of state get to use the ‘Royal’ We, to describe their own opinions. As we can see here, everyone else seems to be pretty happy with customisations to Void Elves so that they can look identical to High Elves. I mean you can see, in this very thread, I supported the idea of playable High Elves, however now they have made these changes to Void Elves (Which they didn’t -have- to do, so clearly they were listening to feedback) that support has eroded, as the people who want them are now more concerned about getting customisation options so that their Void Elf has more natural hair colours and styles, so can indeed be a High Elf in all but name (Which doesn’t matter, no, not even on RP realms, and if you’re not on an RP realm then frankly, what do you care?)
did you just…Right, you did, I had to re-read that, you actually just did ask me a Source for the playable character models. It is an expansion called World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade. It followed World of Warcraft, and preceded World of Warcraft:Wrath of the Lich King.
Incorrect. Quel’thalas was a neutral nation, not Horde or Alliance at the start of TBC, although recent hostile actions by the Alliance were driving it to consider drastic measures, such as aligning with the Horde.
There was no ‘Alliance race given to the Horde’ as the surviving High Elves were not Alliance, as a body politic. Get your lore right.
‘Thalassian’ not ‘High Elf’. You seem to persist in this idea, despite having been proven wrong, that all Blood Elves had Fel Green eyes, and that all High Elves have Blue eyes.
What is next, are you going to tell us that Blood Elves all had Fel liquid with their cornflakes and huffed on crystals to get their green eyes?
Blood Elves have Blood Elf customisations, and it has to be said, not very many in comparison to other core races. They most certainly do not have High Elf customisations. Do you know why?
Because there is no playable race of High Elves, apart from those that call themselves Blood Elves, and those that -called- themselves Blood Elves, but are now referred to as Void Elves.
Lunaera actually beat me to it, as I was playing a Zoom call tabletop game of Aliens:RPG last night, so was slow to respond. It was traumatic, smuggling guns and explosives onto a Pleasure Planet when my idiot friend decided that rather than physically punch the two Russian space gangsters trying to steal our hold-alls full of weapons, he would shoot one of them (In fairness, we were also both Russian gangsters turned ‘legit’) Missed, and put a hole in the shuttle, which was in atmospheric space. Decompression is hilarious, unless you are then trying to fight other people, whilst the very cosmos is trying to suck you towards a very small hole indeed, that would mean you turn into puree.
I was busy.
But Lunaera linked it, and in the thread it does indeed replace a pre-existing thread in existence since the forums and vanilla.
So, much the same as the High Elf requests really. Your point?
Request Denied. There is no such playable race as Silver Covenant. There are High Elves. There is no Species in WoW called Silver Covenant.
It is all a bit Jekyll and Hyde, yes…
Thinking about it, I have never seen them post at the same time, by Jove, you might be on to something there…
I giggled But yeah Brigante is right on this, we already have elves with exact same model as High elves and also skins, once we have some more hairstyles and natural hair colours we will be High elves in all but name. Just like Blood elves are High elves in all but name. I think we will be seen as silly if you just continue insisting that we get a completely separate High elf race, because it will just look identical to Blood elves and High elves.
I think we should all just unite in one voice and request high elven customizations on our Void elves, a bit different from Blood elven hairstyles and colours, so that there is some uniqueness between the two races. That’s what would be viable and reasonable and much more likely to be given attention to. It would also serve the purpose of uniting the factions in the future (which seems likely from where they are heading towards) or introduce a system that would allow cross faction play for raids and dungeons.
Neutral. The High Elf model appears with Aurora Skycaller in Eastern Plaquelands in Vanilla. She is friendly to both Alliance and Horde, and while she ends an Alli quest that quest is actually about the High Elf lore. So upto TBC the Quel’Lithien High Elves are neutral to both factions. The model was altered when the Blood Elf models were introduced in TBC, these were the first playable High Elf models.
I’m starting to wonder at this point, do you know what a Diary is?
If you care about lore? yes it matters. You also are making the mistaken assumption that High Elves will be made playable, which is not confirmed anywhere. Why insist on giving this false impression? Where have Blizzard said this will be the case, that High Elves as an auxiliary Allied Race -as well as- Void Elves who can look identical to High Elves will be made playable. What is your source?
That would be the game ‘World of Warcraft’ in its initial iteration, what people refer to as ‘Vanilla’. High Elves existed in that game as NPC’s, much as they do now. The difference being that even prominent lore NPC’s, such as Sylvanas (Who is, lest we forget, an undead High Elf, not an undead Blood Elf) used a derivative of the Kaldorei model. This remained the case throughout the original game, all High Elves used that model.
With the launch of TBC a new model was introduced for the playable race of Blood Elves, and those High Elves that existed, had their NPC models changed, to bring them the same as the Blood Elf playable race, this included Sylvanas.
High Elves in Vanilla did not look the same as High Elves from TBC onwards. That there is your proof. If you -truly- want High Elves as they looked before the Blood Elf model was made, then you are more than welcome to them.
No. I am factually correct, which as we know, is the best type of correct. Quel’thalas was never part of the Alliance of Lordaeron until the Second War, and indeed, only for the duration of said War, after which, with Strom and Gilneas, they seceded from the Alliance of Lordaeron, and for the same reasons. Kael’thas’ volunteers during WC3 were just that. Volunteers, and not a formal enterprise by Quel’thalas as a nation. If that sounds implausible, there are plenty of examples where this has occurred in our real world, perhaps the most famous being the Spanish Civil War, where in a fairly shameful episode of history, several nations used that war as a ‘test run’ for their technology that would be used a few years later in World War II.
Quel’thalas by the time of TBC had been a neutral state, which had received only hostility and extreme provocation from the Alliance by the time that they were made playable. The state is not, and has never been, part of the Grand Alliance which is the version playable since Vanilla.
Simple lore facts for you there.
Which one, and has it been superseded. Source for that. Blood Elves are not fel Addicted. Blizzard stated in a direct Q+A with the Devs how it all worked. Most Blood Elves with green eyes would never have even seen a Fel Crystal. But please, do link this up to date source. They have the same as High Elves, which is a mana dependency. You have had it explained to you multiple times in this thread what the Fel Crystals were for, in lore terms, yet you persistently refuse to acknowledge the lore and just continue to drag the idea of High Elves down, by making it’s fanbase a source of ridicule.
Ok, so, Selfish then? Thats fine. You do you.
I think you just meant to type ‘High Elves’ there, didn’t you? I mean, in order to make a sensible point.
Ion said anything possible in the future. With active topics like this, we can expect them to become playable.
this is not a proof. You assuming, it is how you explained.
can you explain me why would elves consider remaining in HORDE at all?
Amazon UK posted several preview pages from Exploring Azeroth: The Eastern Kingdoms, an upcoming book by Christie Golden. There is one page up that states that “In the end, with their addiction to first arcane magic and then fel energy, and the horrors brought to their doorstep and beyond by Arthas Menethil and the Scourge, the blood elves demonstrated great courage, determination, and strength.”
If people want them, and there is demand, have them playable, but give alliance highelves
A Journal, traditionally yet not always kept on a daily basis for ones own thoughts and recollections. Not a sounding post for railing against other people’s thoughts and recollections, unless ones own life is truly bereft of any thoughts of their own.
Ion has said many things in the past, and when it comes to lore, has almost always been proven wrong. As mentioned, he is -not- a ‘lore’ guy so is often incorrect. Which is fine, He never pretended to be. Also that statement has no connection, and is no indication that High elves will be made as a supplementary Race to be playable, in addition to Void Elves that can look identical to High Elves.
That is proof. You asked for proof, I explained it in exact and clinical terms. Or are you saying that you accept that High Elves should look like they did in Vanilla, before the introduction of the Blood Elf model?
Yes I can, question is, would you bother paying attention this time around?
Let us assume that you would, and I shall try again.
Elves in Warcraft are not Tolkien Elves, they are far more similar to our real world myths and legends. Elves are actually pretty selfish and mercurial and can be depended upon to do one thing, and one thing only “Whatever is best for us”
The Neutral Nation of Quel’thalas, whilst battered and beaten to the floor, having suffered a horrific loss that is inconceivable to our ability to comprehend (Seriously, 90% losses? Blizz do throw around stupid numbers at times) then volunteered their people to aid against the Enemy of Life. Their supposed allies, under the person in command, used their dwindling numbers as cannon fodder, before laying hands upon their Crown Prince and monarch and planning to have ceremonial executions.
Let me just stop there.
Not -Executions-.
-Ceremonial- Executions. He actually regarded killing the head of a Neutral nation state as something worth making a show about, -more- than actually defeating the enemy. Wasn’t just him either, you can’t arrest 15% of a nation state on your own, especially when said head of a Nation state is an Archmage. So at this point, Humanity has made its stance towards the Elves pretty damned clear. “We Hate You, and would rather kill your leaders, than kill Zombies”
That kind of leaves an impression on people.
Then we have spying. Thats kind of fine. I mean people do that. Even friendly nations spy on each other, it is kind of expected, which is why in our real world, even when people are convicted of espionage they tend to get ‘Pinged’ rather than put against a wall and shot. ‘Pinged’ as in “Persona Non Grata”, as in “they must leave our nation and are not welcomed back”
The Kaldorei however then ramped that up, Professor Anvilward would probably have just been Pinged if it wasn’t for the fact that he was sharing his knowledge with other Alliance forces who were actively murdering Thalassian citizens going about their business. The Alliance, in the form of the Kaldorei had sent a ship and their official Army, the Sentinels to attack and occupy parts of Quel’thalas.
That, is what we call an Act of War.
Why would the Elves consider being in the Horde?
Because the Alliance had declared War upon them.
Since then the Elves have done the same as they always do. Looked out for their own best interests, and when those interests conflicted have indeed went “Nope, Garrosh is bad for us, lets talk to the Alliance”
“Oh, Jaina did a Jaina, nope, we’re sticking with the Horde”
Now there is the interesting position where the ranking member of the Horde Council on Azeroth is Lor’themar Theron.
The Elves effectively run the Horde now. Not that Lor’themar would see it that way, but he is the longest standing leader on the Council, given that Baine and Thrall are temporarily out of the picture.
It’s Christie Bloody Golden! She has been retconned so many times because she simply doesn’t know the lore! She wrote ‘War Crimes’ as if Garrosh was actually on Azeroth during the First War! As opposed to arriving on the planet after the Third War! She seriously thinks you can charge a three year old child on a different planet of War Crimes that they are unaware of and unable to commit!
If She said it was dark at Midnight I would ask for a second opinion!
She wrote ‘Elegy’ for Goodness sake! Which blizzard then had to go “Yeah, thats not actually lore correct”. To be fair, neither was “A Good War” So I can understand what they were trying for, with writing the same battle from two opposing sides, but unfortunately they got the wrong people in to do it. One who does not understand the lore, and one who will quite happily throw their own player character in as saving the High King of the Alliance with her Demons.
Christie Golden does not understand the lore, and Blizzard have had to climb down and say “oh, the Book was canon, but not -that- bit” so many times that you kind of go “Hang on, you have characters in the game, but you haven’t got a damned clue about the lore? let me guess, you play on a PvP or PvE realm don’t you?”
I mean, if you -want- to take Christie Golden’s headcanon as lore, then be my guest. It may not end as well as you think for your cause.
That woman does not know lore. Put it that way.
They already are. They are playable on Horde side, and call themselves Blood Elves, and they are NPC’s on Alliance side, and you can also make Void Elves who look identical.
We already do. They call themselves Blood Elves, a name they took in memory of the destruction of 90% of their population by Arthas’s scourge. The Alliance also have High Elves, that’s what the Void Elves are.
Both groups (Blood and Void) are physiologically the same, the differences are political, as are the differences between them and the tiny number of Elves who still call themselves Quel’dorei. I have to say that from a role playing perspective there’s very little to stop anybody, horde or alliance, deciding to create a High Elf character, and lore wise no reason why that character would have to ally itself to either faction. Sometimes hard to see what all the argument is about.
Does an addiction to void or fel energy as a way of satiating a mana addiction really make for a different race from one that fed its addiction from light? I think not.
I’d also add that it’s irrelevant. Physiologically a Void Elf is a Blood Elf is a High Elf. All you need is the model and an imagination to RP the race you want, surely?
No. Tolkien romanticised ancient Celtic and German mythology to create his Elves. Read the Maboginion or the Norse myths of the Alfar for the real elves.